How to Build a Supercapacitor Dragster on a Budget?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around building a supercapacitor-based dragster for a school project, focusing on component selection, energy calculations, and the feasibility of using supercapacitors for this application. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of the project, including energy storage, motor specifications, and charging methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the project requirements, including the use of a small DC motor and supercapacitors, and presents calculations for energy storage and required energy for the dragster.
  • Another participant questions the suitability of supercapacitors for high energy applications, suggesting that they are typically used for low output currents and advises checking the supercapacitor datasheet for maximum output current.
  • A third participant corrects the initial energy calculation, stating that the total energy needed should account for motor efficiency, leading to a higher energy requirement than initially calculated.
  • The original poster acknowledges the feedback and expresses intent to review the datasheets for both the motor and supercapacitors before proceeding with the project.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of supercapacitors for the intended application, with some questioning their capability for high energy output while others focus on the calculations and project feasibility. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach and component choices.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not yet confirmed the specifications of the supercapacitors or the motor, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the efficiency of the motor and the energy calculations. The discussion reflects a range of uncertainties and conditions related to the project.

Fred404
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Hi all!

I’m currently working on a project for which students will have to build a supercapacitor based dragster.

I saw here and there some videos on how it works but it’s too general to give me hints about components choice. So here I am with my questions, hoping that I’ll get enough answers to go forward with this project ;)

So, here it is:

I want students to build a small dragster (basically very light, made of wood sticks and such, not a big thing!) to organize a contest (drag race) on very small distance (let say about 3 meters max).

As for any school project, the amount of money is limited! No way to build a drag for 50$ each unfortunately.

Here are the components I was thinking about:

A small dc motor Gikfun DC 3V-6V Motor 2000 RPM

Here are specs:

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I was planning to feed it up with supercapacitors only. I was thinking of supercapacitor 2.7V, 10F to build a power pack in parallel if needed.

Here is what I’ve done so far (if I’m not wrong):

Energy stored in the supercapacitor 2.7V/10F

E=1/2.C.U2

E = (1/2)* 10F * 2.722V

E= 36.45 JoulesResistance of the DC motor:

R = U/I

At Maximum Efficiency – according to specs – we have 0.94A for 3V

R = 3V/0.9A = 3.34 ohm
Time of charge tho (sorry, don’t know the translation in English) for this setting:

Tho = R . C = 3.34 ohm x 10F = 33.4 s
So, this means that if tho = 33.4s, after 33.4s, there will only 37% energy left in capacitor.

After 5x tho, the capacitor will be empty.
Energy required for the race:

This is where I think, calculation may be inaccurate cause it depends on the weight of car (the heavier, the more energy needed)

Let say the car is about 150g (0.15 Kg)

F = m x g
F = 0.15 x 9.81 = 1.47 N

For a 3 meters race:

W = F x d
W = 1.47 x 3 = 4.41 J

For the motor, at Max Efficiency, we have 0.94A at 3V (even though the supercapacitor will only deliver 2.7V) for a 5 sec race

P = UI and E = Pt
P = 3 x 0.94 = 2.82W
E = 2.82 x 5 = 14.1 Joules

So, all "energy needed together", this represents an overall total of 4.41 + 14.1 = 18.51 J

According to that, this means that 1 supercapacitor would be enough
But just to have "backup", I can add an extra capacitor in parallel, which should give me twice energy...

So, am I totally out of field? Does it make sens?

Also, does someone knows if I can buy a device to charge supercapacitors? I've found a diy to build one but it may take too much time for students to build it! So I was wondering if I could find a device that would do the job so that would just have to go to a station to charge their drag!

Thanks for any inputs ;)

Fred
 
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I haven't used supercaps much, but my impression is that they are for low output currents (like real time clock backup), not for high energy applications. I could be wrong about that though. Have you looked in detail at the supercap datasheet to see what it shows for maximum output current?
 
Fred404 said:
F = m x g
No. The force will be the wheel torque divided by the wheel radius, but can never exceed the tire friction force which is the tire-road friction coefficient times the vertical force acting on the driven wheel. (More info here and here.)

Fred404 said:
So, all "energy needed together", this represents an overall total of 4.41 + 14.1 = 18.51 J
No. The energy needed will be the calculated output energy (4.41 J in the example) divided by the motor efficiency (43.8 % from the chart given), thus 4.41 / 0.438 = 10.14 J.
 
Thanks for those inputs: I'll check closer for both!
I haven't checked the datasheet for capacitors since I didn't ordered them yet and just check what is avail!
 
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