How to Calculate Aircraft Pitching Moment of Inertia

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pitching moment of inertia for aircraft, specifically focusing on the parameters and methods involved in such calculations. Participants explore the relationship between mass moment of inertia and pitching moment of inertia, as well as the necessary data and formulas required for accurate computation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests an example calculation for the pitching moment of inertia, expressing difficulty in finding relevant information.
  • Another participant explains that pitching moment of inertia relates to how mass is distributed in the aircraft and is calculated about the axis of rotation.
  • Specific parameters of a cargo aircraft are provided by a participant, including weight, fuselage length, and center of gravity, seeking clarification on the calculation process.
  • There is confusion expressed regarding the distinction between Iyy and pitching moment of inertia, with one participant suggesting that Iyy is not a moment of inertia.
  • Another participant clarifies that mass moment of inertia is calculated using the center of gravity and emphasizes the difference between moment of inertia and moment of force.
  • Some participants mention the Parallel Axis Theorem and its relevance to calculating moments of inertia for different components of the aircraft.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and calculations of pitching moment of inertia and Iyy. There is no consensus on how these concepts relate to one another, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to calculating pitching moment of inertia.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the calculation of pitching moment of inertia may depend on specific assumptions about the aircraft's mass distribution and geometry, which are not fully defined in the discussion.

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Hi everyone,

I have a question which requires me to calculate aircraft pitching moment of inertia.
I looked everywhere and can't find much about it, just the basis "what is inertia etc".

Can anyone give an example on how to calculate pitching moment of inertia.

Thanks a lot
 
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Vehicles like aircraft and ships are capable of motion in six degrees of freedom: 3 translational (surge, sway, and heave) and 3 rotational (roll, pitch, and yaw).
As with all bodies undergoing rotational motion, this motion is resisted by the vehicle's mass moment of inertia, calculated about the particular axis of rotation.

Since pitching is the rotation of the aircraft such that the nose and tail go up and down, then the pitching moment of inertia is the property of the aircraft and how its mass is distributed which tends to resist pitching.

The details of how to make mass moment of inertia calculations are typically included in texts dealing with dynamics, or the dynamics of vehicles. What you have to do is either perform a mass take-off of the aircraft in question, i.e. tabulate the mass and centers of mass of all its components, or know the radius of gyration in pitch and the total aircraft mass. It's not clear what information you have about this aircraft, so I'll let you digest these comments for now.

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to post them.
 
Thanks SteamKing for reply.

Let say my aircraft parameters are listed below;
cargo aircraft, weighting 200t
fuselage length 40m
wing span 36m
c.g. 20m from nose on x axis
Ry=0.38 for 2 engine cargo aircraft
other data you can just make up.

Would you be able to show an example how would you calculate the pitching moment of inertia. I went through many resources and all I found is that I need to calculate Iyy which is not the moment of inertia.

I really appreciate your help.

Thank you
 
chris12321232 said:
Thanks SteamKing for reply.

Let say my aircraft parameters are listed below;
cargo aircraft, weighting 200t
fuselage length 40m
wing span 36m
c.g. 20m from nose on x axis
Ry=0.38 for 2 engine cargo aircraft
other data you can just make up.

Would you be able to show an example how would you calculate the pitching moment of inertia. I went through many resources and all I found is that I need to calculate Iyy which is not the moment of inertia.

I really appreciate your help.

Thank you
Why do you think Iyy is not a moment of inertia?
 
Im confused now,

Iyy- I guess is the mass moment of inertia, and it has nothing to do with c.g. Whereas Pitching Moment of Inertia should have something to do with gravity and if it is "Moment" therefore the equation should start with M=... or Mcg=...

I have no idea now.
Please help if you can
thanks
 
You seem to be a little hazy on the concept of moment of inertia and the dynamics of moving bodies.

The mass moment of inertia of a body is going to be calculated using the c.g. of the body as a reference and will have units of mass * length2. The moment of inertia is not like the moment of a force, for example.

If you have a question requiring the calculation of the pitching moment of inertia, why don't you post the entire question, like the rules for PF state?

Unfortunately, PF is the wrong place to learn dynamics. You'll have to get a text for that yourself and start reading it.
 
Not my field but google suggest Iyy is the pitching moment of inertia. Is there any reason why this isn't calculated the same way any moment of inertia is calculated (eg sum the moments of inertia for the parts)?
 
CWatters said:
Not my field but google suggest Iyy is the pitching moment of inertia. Is there any reason why this isn't calculated the same way any moment of inertia is calculated (eg sum the moments of inertia for the parts)?
No. The Parallel Axis Theorem also can come into play as well.

The Pitching Moment of Inertia is just one of the components of the inertia tensor for the aircraft, and AFAIK, all of these components (pitch, roll, and yaw) are centroidal MMOIs.
 

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