How to Calculate Cross-Sectional Area of a Toroid Core?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the cross-sectional area of a toroid core, addressing various methods and formulas for this calculation. Participants explore different approaches, including the use of manufacturer's datasheets and the implications of shape factors in the calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a formula: (OutsideRadius - InsideRadius) x Height = Cross Sectional Area, providing a specific numerical example.
  • Another participant mentions the importance of consulting the manufacturer's datasheet, noting that the core's cross-section may not be square.
  • A participant raises a question about the correctness of two different formulas they found online, seeking clarification on which is appropriate.
  • Tom introduces the concept of a Shape Factor (S.F.) to account for non-magnetic materials in the core, indicating that this factor may be necessary for accurate calculations.
  • Further clarification is provided that S.F. refers to the percentage of the core that is not magnetic material, and that its inclusion in calculations depends on the specific core type.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the formulas for calculating the cross-sectional area, with no consensus reached on which formula is definitively correct. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives regarding the relevance of the Shape Factor.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that variations in core material may have a larger impact on calculations than the shape of the core itself, and that certain assumptions about the core's geometry may affect the accuracy of the formulas used.

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Hello sirs,
How to calculate the cross-section area too toroid core? kindly explain this
 
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(OutsideRadius - InsideRadius) x Height = Cross Sectional Area
(0.155 - 0.078) x 0.125 = (0.077) x .125 = 0.009625 Cross Sectioanl Area
 
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Welcome to the PF. :smile:
Sudalai said:
Hello sirs,
How to calculate the cross-section area too toroid core? kindly explain this
You can also look at the manufacturer's datasheet for the core you are using. The core cross-section may not be exactly square, depending on the core. The area will usually be listed in the datasheet to be used as part of the calculation of the magnetic properties of the core...

https://product.tdk.com/info/en/products/ferrite/index.html
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Tom.G said:
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(OutsideRadius - InsideRadius) x Height = Cross Sectional Area
(0.155 - 0.078) x 0.125 = (0.077) x .125 = 0.009625 Cross Sectioanl Area
Dear Mr, tom
I saw a lot of websites I got these formula
OD-ID/2*H OR OD-ID/2*H*S.F, which one is correct
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

You can also look at the manufacturer's datasheet for the core you are using. The core cross-section may not be exactly square, depending on the core. The area will usually be listed in the datasheet to be used as part of the calculation of the magnetic properties of the core...

https://product.tdk.com/info/en/products/ferrite/index.html
View attachment 241269

Thanks for your reply this will be helpful to me
 
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Sudalai said:
Dear Mr, tom
I saw a lot of websites I got these formula
OD-ID/2*H OR OD-ID/2*H*S.F, which one is correct
I don't know what "S.F." is so I can not answer that.

I can guess that "S.F." is Shape Factor to account for shapes that are not rectangles. If the cross section is round or oval and not a rectangle, then a Shape Factor correction would be needed to find the area.

Many catalogs ignore rounded corners because that make very little difference in the calculations. The variations in the core material itself is larger than slightly rounded corners.

Also, some parentheses are needed in the above to get the math correct.
(OD-ID)/2*H

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Dear Tom,
S.F means stacking factor refer to below link

 
Ahh, OK... S.F. is used to account for the percentage of the overall core that is NOT magnetic material, but is insulation, glue, potting compound, etc.

I have not used strip-wound cores so I was not familiar with the term. The ferrite cores that I am used to have an effective S.F. of 1 and it is left out of the formula. Addressing your question directly, of the formulas you asked about, the one that includes S.F. is more complete.

S.F. is left out when it is close enough to 1 to ignore, or when the manufacturer has already taken it into account when quoting the permeability.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Tom
 
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