How to calculate parametric representation of a circle?

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The discussion revolves around the parametric representation of a circle derived from the equation y^2 + 4y + z^2 = 5, with x = 3. Participants explore how to manipulate the equation to fit the standard form of a circle and discuss the implications of their transformations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to rewrite the given equation into a standard circle form and discuss the implications of completing the square. Questions arise about the correct parametrization and the signs involved in the equations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and clarifying the steps needed to arrive at the correct parametric representation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the signs in the parametrization.

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There is a mention of a related question about finding tangent vectors for a different curve, indicating a broader context of exploration in vector calculus and parametric equations.

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Homework Statement


[tex]y^2 + 4y + z^2 = 5, x = 3[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the calculated coordinates must satisfy the above equation, but I don't know how to go about solving for those coordinates. The best I could do was to equate [tex]z = \sqrt{(-y + 5)(y + 1)}[/tex].
 
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Hmm,
[tex]y^2 + 4y + z^2 = 5[/tex]
doesn't really look like a circle, does it?
I mean, the general equation for a circle (in the y-z plane) is
[tex](y - a)^2 + (z - b)^2 = r^2[/tex]

Can you maybe start by rewriting it to this form?

For the next step, remember the usual parametrisation for a circle [itex]y^2 + z^2 = r^2[/itex] is
[tex]y(t) = r \sin t, z(t) = r \cos t[/tex]
 
Oh! By completing the square, I get

[tex](y + 2)^2 + (z)^2 = 3^2[/tex]

[tex]r(t) = (3, 3 \sin t, 3 \cos t)[/tex]

Is this correct?
 
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Almost!
The first line is right. Just think very carefully about what you call sin(t).
When in doubt, calculate
[tex](3 \sin t)^2 + 4 (3 \sin t) + (3 \cos t)^2[/tex]
and check if it gives 5.
 
Is it [tex]r(t) = (3, 3 \sin t - 2, 3 \cos t)[/tex]?

Why isn't it 3 sin t + 2? I had to change the sign to get the answer to fit.
 
Very well done.

The sign is there, because you want 3 (y + 2/3) to be 3 cos(t).
 
Thank you very much. I have another (somewhat) related question, but I'd rather not create a new thread. I certainly hope you don't mind.

Homework Statement


Given a curve C: r(t), find a tangent vector r'(t), a unit tangent vector u'(t), and the tangent of C at P.

[tex]r(t) = (\cosh t, \sinh t), P: (\frac{5}{3}, \frac{4}{3})[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]r'(t) = (\sinh t, \cosh t)[/tex]
[tex]u'(t) = (\cosh 2x)^{-1/2}(\sinh t, \cosh t)[/tex]

The last part stumps me.
 
You mean about u'(t)?
It is simply a unit vector along r'(t), so you will have to divide r'(t) by its length.
To get the cosh(2x) there is just some (hyperbolic) identities magic using the formulas analagous to [tex]\cos^2 t + \sin^2 t = 1[/tex] and [tex]\cos^2 t - \sin^2 t = \sin 2t[/tex].
 

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