How to calculate the force of a charge through its kinetic Energy?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force exerted by a point charge in relation to its kinetic energy. The original poster is attempting to connect work done to changes in kinetic energy and is exploring the relationship between force, work, and kinetic energy in the context of electric charges.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive force from kinetic energy using the work-energy principle, questioning the validity of their steps. Participants inquire about the notation used and the original problem statement, seeking clarification on initial conditions and assumptions regarding the charges involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking further details to clarify the original problem and the assumptions made. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy, and there is a recognition that finding force from potential energy may be more straightforward than from kinetic energy.

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There is uncertainty regarding the initial conditions of the problem, specifically whether the charges are fixed and the initial speeds of the particles involved. The original poster has acknowledged missing information in their initial query.

MichaelC960
Good Afternoon
Is it correct to calculate the force of a point charge by relating the force to the kinetic energy and this with its derivative? I have the graphic V/r (Velocity Vs Space), want to calculate force, relate work with force in this way: W=ΔEk, in my case the kinetic energy initial is zero, W=(-1/2)mVo^2.
So W= int(F.ds) ------> ((-1/2)mVo^2)/(ΔS)= F.
I'm not sure about this last step, specifically when deriving (-1/2)mVo^2 = int (F.ds)

Thanks
 
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I moved your thread to our homework section.

I’m confused by your notation. What is Vo^2?
Can you post the full original problem statement?
 
mfb said:
Can you post the full original problem statement?
mfb said:
I moved your thread to our homework section.

I’m confused by your notation. What is Vo^2?
Can you post the full original problem statement?
Thank you. And Vo^2 es (Initial Velocity). The problem original it is: https://ibb.co/bwkzy6

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How did you find the velocity as function of space without calculating the energy or the force first?

The problem statement doesn't say anything about initial speeds, and it doesn't tell us if Q1 and Q2 are fixed (I guess they are).
 
mfb said:
How did you find the velocity as function of space without calculating the energy or the force first?

The problem statement doesn't say anything about initial speeds, and it doesn't tell us if Q1 and Q2 are fixed (I guess they are).
Yes, Q1 and Q2 are fixed. But Q3 is considered as an electron (mass and charge) de Q3.
I calculate the speed as a function of the position using energy conservation, where the initial kinetic energy is zero (starts at rest), and use the electric potential energy U = kQq / r and find the speed as a function of the position.
Sorry for not writing down all the data from the beginning.
 
Finding the force directly or from the potential energy is easier than finding it from the kinetic energy.
 
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