How to Calculate the Kinetic Energy of He Nuclei in a Proton-Lithium Reaction?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic energy of helium nuclei produced in a proton-lithium reaction, specifically the reaction p+^{7}Li → ^{4}He + ^{4}He. Participants are exploring the implications of conservation of energy and momentum in a relativistic context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss applying conservation of momentum and energy, with attempts to calculate the kinetic energy of the helium nuclei based on different frames of reference. Questions arise about the assumptions made regarding the motion of the products and the necessity of knowing the mass of ^{4}He.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mass of ^{4}He and its relevance to the calculations. There is acknowledgment of errors in previous attempts, and one participant claims to have resolved their misunderstanding regarding the subtraction of rest energies, although no consensus on the correct approach has been reached.

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Participants note the lack of provided mass for ^{4}He in the original problem statement, which is seen as a constraint affecting their calculations.

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Homework Statement


p+^{7}Li \rightarrow ^{4}He +^{4}He
Mass of 7Li = 6533.8 MeV/c^2
Calculate the kinetic energy of each helium nucleus if the incident proton has nearly zero kinetic energy. Answer: 8.68MeV

Homework Equations


E_{total}=\frac{mc^{2}}{\sqrt{1-(\frac{v}{c})^2}}

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to apply conservation of momentum here:

E_{iproton}=mc^{2}=938.27MeV
E_{iLi} = 6533.8MeV

By conservation, these quantities should be conserved, so I add them which gives me the wrong answer. I'm definitely missing some crucial concept here. If anyone could help me figure this out I would appreciate it greatly.
 
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I tried a different approach and I got the right magnitude, but still wrong.
E_{i}=m_{p}c^{2}+m_{He}c^2
Since the protons are at rest, I assign only rest energies. I now assume that the 2 products are moving in the same direction (which is erroneous I am pretty sure). Doing so allows me to define a second frame S', in which the momentum of the two product particles is zero:
In S'
p'_{x,f}=0
since they are at rest in this frame, their combined energies must equal their rest energies:
E'_{f}=2m_{^{4}He}c^{2}
Now, i convert this energy back into the unprimed frame, S.
E_{f}=\gamma (E'_{f}-Vp'_{x,f})
The second term is zero
E_{f}=\gamma E'_{f}
I set the initial and final energies equal to each other and solve for the velocity to find:
v = 0.02914660097c
Using the relativistic kinetic energy:
KE = m_{^{4}He}c^{2}(\gamma - 1)=1.58MeV
This is incorrect. once again I'm pretty sure that I shouldn't have made a new frame, since even in the unprimed S frame the momentum should be zero, because the initial momentum is zero (thus by conservation). However, that doesn't get me anywhere near the right answer. Can someone please help me out and give me some ideas of what else i could try? Thank you
 
what is the mass of 4He?
 
its about 4*mp = 4*(1.67*10^-27)
 
thats not good enough. it should have been supplied in the question. or at least the book.
 
the exact number in the book (not supplied in the question) is 4.002602u where 1u = 1.66054*10^-27kg
 
mass=energy
and energy must be conserved.
 
Figured it out:
E_{i}=m_{p}c^{2}+m_{Li}c^{2}
E_{f}=2m_{He}c^2+2KE_{He}
KE_{He}=8.65MeV
I forgot to subtract off the rest energies in the very first post for some dumb reason!
 

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