How to calculate trajectory of an object with air drag

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the trajectory of an object under the influence of air drag, specifically focusing on the mathematical modeling and numerical methods required to account for drag in a parabolic trajectory. The scope includes theoretical considerations, numerical integration techniques, and historical context related to the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on predicting the flight of an object with air resistance, noting that drag is related to the square of the speed.
  • Another participant describes using numerical integration to account for energy loss due to drag, referencing specific equations for drag force and energy loss rate.
  • A participant asserts that numerical integration is necessary due to the absence of a closed form solution in elementary functions, mentioning a claim of a closed form solution that was ultimately deemed incorrect.
  • Historical context is provided regarding the significance of the drag problem in the development of digital computers in the mid-20th century.
  • One participant questions whether reasonable results can be obtained by calculating drag force over small time intervals repeatedly until the object lands.
  • Another participant mentions performing calculations at a frequency of once per millisecond until the object lands.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of numerical integration for this problem, but there are differing opinions on the specifics of the approach and the feasibility of closed form solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method for calculation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions made about drag force and the time intervals for calculations, as well as the unresolved nature of the claims about closed form solutions.

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I am trying to predict the flight of an object with a parabolic trajectory including drag due to air resistance how do I do this? the wiki page was not clear its my understanding its relative to the square of the speed.
 
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I have used numerical integration with this energy loss rate (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(physics ))

[tex]\frac{dE}{dt}=\frac{1}{2}\rho \cdot C_{drag} \cdot A \cdot v^{3} \text { Newton meters per second}[/tex]

The force is [tex]F=\frac{1}{2}\rho \cdot C_{drag} \cdot A \cdot v^{2} \text { Newtons}[/tex]
 
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Bob S said:
I have used numerical integration
The reason Bob S used numerical integration is because that is pretty much the only choice. There is no closed form solution in the elementary functions. There was a buzz a month ago or so about some kid in Germany who claimed to have found such a closed form solution. He didn't. He found a slowly converging series solution (that's not "closed form"), and what he found is well known and is also well known as pretty much useless. There is no simple closed form solution to this problem.

As a historical note, the problem of a ballistic object with drag was one of the driving forces (if not the driving force) that motivated the development of digital computers back in the 1940s and 1950s.
The force is [tex]F=\frac{1}{2}\rho \cdot C_{drag} \cdot A \cdot v^{2} \text { Newtons}[/tex]
ferret_guy: Note that this is the magnitude of the drag force. The direction is always against the velocity vector.
 
So I could get a reasonable result by calculating the force of drag and assuming that for a very small period for time (eg 1 second) and do that over and over until the object lands?
 
I usually do it once per millisecond until the object lands.
 

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