How to Calculate Work Done in a Thermodynamic Process?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done during the expansion of air in a closed piston-cylinder device, where the process follows the relation PV^1.2 = constant. The original poster has identified the initial and final pressures and temperature but is uncertain about how to proceed without knowing the volumes or mass of the gas.

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  • Participants discuss the use of the ideal gas law and relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature to derive necessary values. Some suggest integrating pressure with respect to volume, while others express concern about the lack of volume information. Questions arise regarding the meaning of variables in the equations and the assumptions that can be made.

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Multiple approaches are being explored, including the integration of pressure and volume relationships. Some participants have provided guidance on deriving temperature and volume, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the number of moles and the gas constant. There is no explicit consensus on a single method to solve the problem.

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Participants note that the problem does not provide values for the gas constant or the number of moles, leading to discussions about assumptions that can be made, such as assuming one mole of gas. The original poster also highlights that the answer is expected in kJ/kg, which adds to the complexity of the calculations.

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hey guys got this question that i have been stuck on for a while.

air is expanded from 1M Pa at 327 degrees celsius to 200kPa in a closed piston cylinder device. for the process PV^1.2 = constant. calculate the work done in kJ/kg during this process

i have managed to work out the temperature after expansion using T2/T1 = (P1/P2)^(n-1/n) but i don't know how to work out the work done without knowing the mass or any of the volumes

if work = (p1v1 - p2v2)/ 1-n

then surely i need the volumes to work out the work done

any help will be welcomed

cheers
 
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If the gaz can be considered ideal, then by conservation of the number of moles of gaz,

\nu_i = \nu_f[/itex]<br /> <br /> you must have<br /> <br /> V_f=\frac{p_fT_i}{p_iT_f}V_i<br /> <br /> So<br /> <br /> W=\int_{V_i}^{\frac{p_fT_i}{p_iT_f}V_i}pdV = \int_{V_i}^{\frac{p_fT_i}{p_iT_f}V_i} \frac{\alpha}{V^{1.2}}dV<br /> <br /> And substitude back \alpha = p_iV_i^{1.2} at the end.
 
but i don't know any of the volumes so this method would not work
 
junglep said:
hey guys got this question that i have been stuck on for a while.

air is expanded from 1M Pa at 327 degrees celsius to 200kPa in a closed piston cylinder device. for the process PV^1.2 = constant. calculate the work done in kJ/kg during this process

i have managed to work out the temperature after expansion using T2/T1 = (P1/P2)^(n-1/n) but i don't know how to work out the work done without knowing the mass or any of the volumes

if work = (p1v1 - p2v2)/ 1-n

then surely i need the volumes to work out the work done

any help will be welcomed

cheers
If PV^\alpha = K where \alpha = 1.2 (note: this is not the \gamma for air which is 1.4), then substituting V = nRT/P gives:

P^{1-\alpha}T^\alpha = K/n^\alpha R^\alpha = K&#039;

So:

P_1^{1-\alpha}T_1^\alpha = P_2^{1-\alpha}T_2^\alpha = K&#039;

From that, work out PdV in terms of K' and T and integrate from T1 to T2

AM
 
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If you succed, would you please post the answer junglep?
 
quasar987 said:
If you succed, would you please post the answer junglep?
Find T2 from the relationship:

P_1^{(1-\alpha)}T_1^\alpha = P_2^{(1-\alpha)}T_2^\alpha

so:

T_2 = \left(P_1^{(1-\alpha)}T_1^\alpha/P_2^{(1-\alpha)}\right)^{1/\alpha}

Use PV=nRT to find V:

V_1 = nRT_1/P_1

V_2 = nRT_2/P_2

Integrating PdV from V1 to V2 using P = K/V^\alpha:

W = \int_{V_1}^{V_2} PdV = \int_{V_1}^{V_2} KdV/V^\alpha

You just have to work that out.

AM
 
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what is n in the equation

pv = nRT?

i thought the perfect gas eqn was pv = mass * R * T

also i am not given a value for the gas constant (R). if it is any help the answer that is given in the book is in kJ/kg not in J.
 
junglep said:
what is n in the equation

pv = nRT?

i thought the perfect gas eqn was pv = mass * R * T

also i am not given a value for the gas constant (R). if it is any help the answer that is given in the book is in kJ/kg not in J.
n is the number of moles of the gas. R is in units of J/mole K.

This problem does not give you n or V, so assume n = 1 in which case: PV = MRT where M is the mass of one mole of air (29 g/mole). Essentially, you are working out and using the volume for one mole of air.

AM
 

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