How to calculte Kinetic Energy of Scissor Lift system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic energy of a scissor lift system, particularly in relation to its tilt angle and potential energy after impact. Participants explore the implications of kinetic and potential energy on the stability of the lift during operation and design considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the tilt angle of a scissor lift, referencing a source that suggests tip-over occurs when kinetic energy is less than potential energy after impact.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the source, asking for clarification and a sketch of the expected impact.
  • A participant mentions that the referenced research paper does not adequately explain why lower kinetic energy leads to tip-over, expressing concern about calculating the tilt angle for design purposes.
  • Some participants request links to textbook problems that might clarify the situation.
  • One participant notes that scissor lifts have one degree of freedom, suggesting that they should only exhibit vertical motion, and describes their method of calculating the lift's velocity through vertical displacement.
  • Another participant points out a potential misunderstanding regarding the calculation of kinetic energy, emphasizing the importance of horizontal velocity rather than vertical velocity in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between kinetic and potential energy in the context of tip-over. There is no consensus on the validity of the sources cited or the correct approach to calculating kinetic energy.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in the available literature and the need for clearer definitions regarding the energy calculations involved. There are unresolved questions about the assumptions made in the referenced research paper.

Ycean
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Hi, here i need to calculate the tilt angle of the scissor lift. I had done some reviews for designing a scissor lifter, some source state that, tip-over will happen only when the kinetic energy of the system is less than the Potential energy after impact.
Hence, i was trying to use this relation to find out the range of the best angle. But, i don't know how to calculate the Kinetic Energy of the whole system. Can anyone give me some idea to solve it?Thankyou in advance!
 
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Ycean said:
some source state that, tip-over will happen only when the kinetic energy of the system is less than the Potential energy after impact.
Which source? That sounds strange.

Do you have a sketch, including where you expect an impact?
 
If not mistaken it is from a journal of the research paper, but inside that paper din't describe much about why the kinetic energy lesser than potential energy of the system will cause the tip-over to happen. And i just only jot down the factors that might leading the tip over to happen, during i did my literature review.
Actually what i concern now is how to calculate the tilt-angle. Because i need it for my scissor structure design. Can anyone kindly give me some advises. ><"".Thanks!
 
Have you got a link to a textbook problem dealing with what you are talking about?
 
mfb said:
Which source? That sounds strange.

Do you have a sketch, including where you expect an impact?

Here was the paper i got. In the Chapter 2,the author did mention about the potential energy after impact greater than Kinetic energy will lead the tip-over to happen.
 
NascentOxygen said:
Have you got a link to a textbook problem dealing with what you are talking about?

I did try to look at all my mechanical textbook for dynamic or static analysis. And what i found is, scissor lifter having only one degree of freedom, mean this structure having only vertical motion. Therefore, i try to calculate the velocity of the lifter by differentiate the vertical displacement of the center of mass of the whole structure. After comparing both potential and kinetic energy, there was a huge differ. The kinetic energy has a much lower value than the potential energy value. It seem something is wrong.

Wondering about the statement from the research paper.
 

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Can you post a link to the whole paper?

... i try to calculate the velocity of the lifter by differentiate the vertical displacement..

When they say "KE prior to impact" I took that to mean 0.5mv^2 where v is the horizontal velocity. Not sure why you are looking at the vertical velocity.[/quote][/quote]
 

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