How to create a magnetic field gradient

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the construction of a magnetic field gradient for a low-energy electron detector. Participants explore various methods to achieve this gradient, considering both rare-earth magnets and electromagnets, while discussing the specific requirements of the magnetic field configuration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using rare-earth magnets of differing strengths to create a gradient, but acknowledges that this may be less effective and more costly than using solenoids.
  • Another participant proposes using multiple solenoids with varying currents in a geometric configuration to create the desired magnetic field gradient.
  • A different approach is mentioned, where a horseshoe magnet with one flat and one pointy end could be used, referencing the Stern-Gerlach experiment.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the provided equation (2*(x^2 + y^2)) and the graphical representation of electron trajectories, suggesting that the magnetic field strength varies with distance from the center.
  • Another participant discusses the placement of a solenoid or bar magnet in relation to the electron trajectories, proposing that orienting the north pole in the positive z-direction might be effective.
  • There is a request for confirmation from other participants regarding the proposed methods and configurations, indicating a desire for collaborative validation of ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best approach to create the magnetic field gradient, with no consensus reached on a single method. Various techniques are proposed, and some participants seek clarification and confirmation from others.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific requirements for the magnetic field gradient, including a dependence on the equation 2*(x^2 + y^2), which may limit the applicability of certain proposed methods. The discussion includes assumptions about the configuration and orientation of magnetic fields that remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for researchers and students working on experimental setups involving magnetic fields, particularly in the context of particle detection and manipulation.

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I'm working at a university to build a low-energy electron detector and it requires that we construct a magnetic field gradient. We know, through computer models, what the gradient should be, but we don't know how to make it.

We would rather use rare-earth magnets as opposed to an electromagnet, but at this point we open to ideas.

So, any ideas?
 
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I guess it all depends on how fine you'd like to set up your gradient. I guess you could use rare-earth magnets of differing strengths, but that would probably be less effective and more costly than just using a series of solenoids. The advantage of using solenoids is that you can control the strength of the field inside by controlling the current in the wire. You can also control the fineness of the field gradient by the number of solenoids. Unless there's something I'm missing, I would suggest going that route.
 
Well, how would we create it with electromagnets? We understand how they're made, but only in the context of one. Would you have to make multiple solenoids with varying current in some geometric configuration?
 
A magnetic field gradient can be made by taking the two ends of a horseshoe magnet and making one end flat and the other pointy, like in the Stern-Gerlach experiment. But this may not be what you are looking for.
 
That's a good point, but I'm not sure how to make that with our design, it requires a gradient with a 2*(x^2 + y2) dependence if the image is like this:


y
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| bent by gradient field in this x-y plane
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|_______________ x
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^electron enters through collimator
 

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I think see what you're trying to do. I assumed you were talking about a linear gradient with a constant cross-section (don't ask me how I came to that). I think chrisbaird was on to something with permanent magnets with different shaped ends.

I'm getting confused on the correlation between the graph and the equation you posted. The way I understand it, the electrons are traveling along the y-axis and then getting deflected by a magnetic field with field lines pointing in the z-direction. The strength of the field varies with 2(x^2 + y^2) or 2*r^2. If I'm understanding this correctly, the equipotential lines for the magnetic field are pretty circular. In that case, you could have a small, powerful solenoid near the opening of the collimator. The force from the magnetic field would decrease with r^2, which would fit your experiment.
 
Sorry, I should have explained the picture a little better. The equation corresponds with the arbitrary x and y axes seen in the picture. The colored lines are electron trajectories corresponding to different energies entering a magnetic field at, I believe, a 30 degree angle.

The horizontal black line denotes the y value of where the electrons enter the magnetic field and the apex of the collimator indicates where on the x-axis the electrons enter.
You'll also see a circular line starting from that initial y value, any point inside that circular area and underneath that horizontal black line has a B-field of zero.

If we were to use a solenoid, it would be placed at the top right of this x-y plane, where we want the B-field to be strongest.
 
Okay, so I wasn't too far off. I think the solenoid (or even a bar magnet) might work then. Orient the north pole of the solenoid/magnet in the positive z-direction (assuming your electrons are traveling in the positive y-direction) at a location in the upper right quadrant and I think it might work.

I would like some confirmation from some of the other PFers out there to see if I'm overlooking anything.
 

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