How to define system from a given equation

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The discussion revolves around the definition and analysis of a system represented by the equation y(t) = S{v(t)} = sin[ωct + k.v(t)]. Participants seek to understand the meaning of the system and whether it is linear and time-invariant.

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  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to define the system and what the original question is asking.
  • One participant suggests that for the system to be linear, the superposition principle must apply, indicating that they believe the system is non-linear based on their calculations.
  • Another participant states that for the system to be time-invariant, the time-shifting property should be satisfied, concluding that the system is time-variant.
  • Some participants question the meaning of the terms in the equation, particularly the role of v(t) and whether it is a constant or an arbitrary function.
  • There is a suggestion to graph the function to better understand its behavior.
  • One participant proposes that v(t) could represent velocity in the y direction, specifically as the derivative of y(t), but acknowledges the difficulty in determining its meaning without further context.
  • Another participant notes the challenge of clarifying the question with an instructor or TA since it is part of a test and not from a course.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty and do not reach a consensus on the meaning of the system or the correctness of the claims regarding linearity and time invariance. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of v(t) and the properties of the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the lack of definitions for terms used in the equation, which may affect their ability to analyze the system accurately. There is also an acknowledgment of the limitations posed by the context of the problem being part of an exam.

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Homework Statement


Input-output description of a system y(t) = S{v(t)} with S{v(t)} = sin[ωct+k.v(t)]

Wanted:
(a) Meaning of this system?
(b) Is this system
(i) linear?
(ii) time-invariant?


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



(a) I don't know how to define this system & what is the question is asking to be answered, please help me out.

(b)

(i) For a system to be linear, the superposition principle can be applied to the above equation, i.e., additivity property & homogeneity (scaling) property will have to be satisfied.

as far my calculation, the system is non-linear. Am i correct?

(ii) For a system to be time-invariant, time-shifting property should be satisfied. In this can, the system is time-variant, i.e., non time-invariant. Am i correct?

Please let me know your thoughts. specially (a) Meaning of this system. Also let me know whether I am correct or not for (b) (i) & (ii)
 
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aguntuk said:

Homework Statement


Input-output description of a system y(t) = S{v(t)} with S{v(t)} = sin[ωct+k.v(t)]

Wanted:
(a) Meaning of this system?
(b) Is this system
(i) linear?
(ii) time-invariant?


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



(a) I don't know how to define this system & what is the question is asking to be answered, please help me out.

(b)

(i) For a system to be linear, the superposition principle can be applied to the above equation, i.e., additivity property & homogeneity (scaling) property will have to be satisfied.

as far my calculation, the system is non-linear. Am i correct?

(ii) For a system to be time-invariant, time-shifting property should be satisfied. In this can, the system is time-variant, i.e., non time-invariant. Am i correct?

Please let me know your thoughts. specially (a) Meaning of this system. Also let me know whether I am correct or not for (b) (i) & (ii)

You need to define all of the terms before you can answer the questions. In particular, is c a constant? and what is meant by k.v(t)?
 
Dear berkeman,
here is the question in the attachment.
 

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aguntuk said:
Dear berkeman,
here is the question in the attachment.

Ah, that's different!

y(t) = sin[ω_ct + kv(t)]

(click the Quote button to see how I used LaTeX to enter the equation -- there is a tutorial on LaTeX in the Feedback forum)

Start by graphing the function with y(t) on the vertical axis and t on the horizontal axis. What does the function look like?
 
Also, is there any hint in the problem (or the text leading up to the problem) what v(t) is supposed to represent? Or are you just supposed to guess what it is?
 
No other hints except the text, i think v(t) is arbitrary...i am lost here how to represent it? Am i correct for 2nd part of linearity & time invariance?
 
aguntuk said:
No other hints except the text, i think v(t) is arbitrary...i am lost here how to represent it? Am i correct for 2nd part of linearity & time invariance?

Could v(t) be velocity in the y direction? That is,

v_y(t) = \frac{dy(t)}{dt}

It's hard to believe that v(t) is arbitrary. Can you clarify the question with your instructor or TA?
 
berkeman said:
Could v(t) be velocity in the y direction? That is,

v_y(t) = \frac{dy(t)}{dt}

It's hard to believe that v(t) is arbitrary. Can you clarify the question with your instructor or TA?

The thing is it is a test for an exam not in a course & i can't ask the authority also!
 
aguntuk said:
The thing is it is a test for an exam not in a course & i can't ask the authority also!

What do you mean that it is for an exam? Is it from a take-home exam for one of your courses?
 

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