How to Derive Impedance in an LCR Circuit at Various Frequencies?

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This discussion focuses on deriving impedance in an LCR circuit at various frequencies, specifically at resonant frequency (ω=ωo) and at very high frequencies (ω>>ωo and ω>>R/L). The participants utilize the equation of motion Vo=ψ+(R/L)ψ+(1/LC)ψ and the impedance formula Z=(1/iω)K(ω), where K is defined as K=1/((s-mω²)+ibω). Key insights include the use of complex impedances for simplification and the importance of distinguishing between ω and ωo in expressions.

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Homework Statement


a. express the equation of motion
b derive impedance at the resonant frequency (ω=ωo)
c derive impedance at very high frequencies (ω>>ωo and ω>>R/L)

Homework Equations


Vo=ψ+(R/L)ψ+(1/LC)ψ
Z=(1/iω)K(ω)
K=1/((s-mω2)+ibω)

The Attempt at a Solution


Part a was simple, that was the first equation. I don't know how to put dots to signify derivatives though.
For b, since ω=ωo, it will equal (1/LC)0.5, so I think I got it right in the scratch work I uploaded.
For c, I'm not quite sure where to start. Since ω>>ωo, can I just take ωo to be zero and disregard it so that there will be no (1/LC)0.5 term?

Sorry, my handwriting is not the best. I'm quadriplegic, so it's not the easiest thing for me.
 

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Hi,
Blue Kangaroo said:
how to put dots to signify derivatives though
I wouldn't know how to do it with the symbol buttons. You could use single quotes and double quotes. For the dots, all I can do is show how to do it using ##\LaTeX## : You type $$ L \ \ddot q + R\ \dot q + \frac {Q}{C}\ q = V_0 $$ and you get
$$ L\ \ddot q + R\ \dot q + \frac {1}{C} \ q = V_0 $$ the equation for a series LCR circuit (which I have to assume your problem statement mentions ? :rolleyes: )
( here is where I stole the notation -- I added the " \ " to get more spacing)

So it looks like your ##\psi## is actually ##q L## ? (did you miss the 'all variables' in part 1 of the template :smile: ? -- gives you the chance to also tell us what m and s and K stand for ...)Next question: are you familiar with complex impedances ? It makes the math a lot easier:
$$Z \equiv {V\over I} = R + j\omega L + {1\over j\omega C}$$and ##|Z|## should give a nice expression for ##\omega_0^2 = {1\over LC}##
 
The problem never explicitly stated that it was a series circuit. I've uploaded the homework. It's the last problem on the page.

Yes, Ψ should be qL, so the equation is (1/L)Vo=q"+R/Lq'+(1/LC)q

Sorry, Z is impedance, K is compliance and I'm honestly not quite sure what s and b are.

I am not too familiar with complex impedances, but it would probably behoove me to learn.
 

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Blue Kangaroo said:
never explicitly stated that it was a series circuit
But the picture surely does !
Blue Kangaroo said:
K is compliance
I feel somewhat stupid never having heard of that in circuit analysis. You write ##Z=\displaystyle {1\over i\omega}K(\omega)##. Is that its definition ? ##\ \ i\ ## is the currrent, or ##\ i\ ## is something that has ##i^2 = -1## ? ##\ \ i\ ## also appears in the denominator of K ?
Blue Kangaroo said:
not quite sure what s and b are
you also use the symbol ##\ m\ ## ?. I see a lot of similarity with expressions in the link. But not for ##s##...

PS make sure you distinguish between ##\omega## and ##\omega_0## when you write your expressions.
 
I see, I stand corrected.

That is the equation relating Z and K that we were given in class. I think I found what I was doing wrong though.
 
So what's the situation now ?
 

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