How to derive Nielsen equation from Lagrange equation?

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How to derive Nielsen equation from Lagrange equation
 
Isn't google your friend ? What did you find so far ?
 
I have done couple hours of research and tried to derive it myself. The best that I found is this, but I do not understand where the commutator come from. It does not seem to be the Poisson braket commutator applied to T either (A,B) = AB-BA . Nor that I understand where the (2) relationship comes from. Thank you

Printed equations from a text on Lagrangian mechanics: total time derivative d/dt expansion, commutator identity [∂/∂q̇^j, d/dt] = ∂/∂q^j, the identity for d/dt ∂T/∂q̇^j, and the Lagrange equations Q_j = d/dt ∂T/∂q̇^j − ∂T/∂q^j − 2∂T/∂q^j.
 
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AlephClo said:
The best that I found is this
It was the first one I found too. But: Not good enough then, ... (*)
What about the second one in the list I got ?

:smile: Except where it says ##=0## one should read ## = Q_j##

(*) And yes, the commutator [A,B] means: first B then A minus first A then B.