How to Derive PdV=RdT/(1-δ) from the Polytropic Process Constant Equation?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the expression PdV = RdT/(1-δ) from the polytropic process constant equation, specifically in the context of an ideal gas being compressed. The problem involves thermodynamic principles and the application of the first law of thermodynamics.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the first law of thermodynamics and the differentiation of the polytropic process equation. Questions arise regarding the manipulation of the equation PVδ = Constant and how to derive specific terms related to work and heat transfer.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, seeking clarification on the derivation steps and the reasoning behind certain transformations. Hints have been provided to guide understanding, particularly regarding the differentiation of multivariable functions.

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There is a focus on understanding the steps involved in the derivation rather than simply applying formulas. Participants express a desire to grasp the underlying concepts rather than relying solely on plug-and-chug methods.

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Homework Statement


One mole of an ideal gas is reversibly compressed from 1 bar to P2
bar that results in temperature increase from 400 K to 950 K. Calculate the heat
transferred during the process and the final pressure, if the path followed by the gas can
be given by PV1.55 = , and the molar heat capacity of the gas is given by

Cp/R = 3.85 + 0.57×10-3T (where T is in K)

Homework Equations


dU=dQ+dW

The Attempt at a Solution


my attempt at a solution.

1. I used the first law of thermodynamics to get

dU=dQ+dW

solving for dQ

dQ=dU-dW ===> dQ=CvdT+PdV

2. Using Ideal gas solved for T then differentiated

RdT=PdV +VdP

3. It was given that PV1.55=Constant

I know since it is a real number I can use steps of a polytropic process

PVδ=Constant


This is where I am getting hung up. My books steps to solution say that using


RdT=PdV +VdP
solving for PdV

is the next step to solve the above expression PVδ=Constant.

It then says that PδVδ-1dV=-VδdP from which VdP=-PδdV

My question is how did they derive that expression from the PVδ=Constant

the end result being that

PdV=RdT/(1-δ)


Any and all help clarifying this for me would be greatly appreciated I have other formula that are all plug and chug but I would rather understand the steps involved in solving the problem with these constants.

Best Regards,

D


 
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HethensEnd25 said:
This is where I am getting hung up. My books steps to solution say that using

RdT=PdV +VdP solving for PdV

is the next step to solve the above expression PVδ=Constant.
What do you mean by "solve the above expression"? Solve it for what?

It then says that PδVδ-1dV=-VδdP from which VdP=-PδdV

My question is how did they derive that expression from the PVδ=Constant
Hint: Consider the multivariable function ##f(p,V) = \text{constant}##. If you differentiate it, you get
$$df = \frac{\partial f}{\partial p}dP + \frac{\partial f}{\partial V}dV = 0.$$
 
vela said:
What do you mean by "solve the above expression"? Solve it for what?
I am trying to use that PVδ=constant

The book uses that to get the term of work into a term where the n factor can be used.

Here is a picture of part of the solution I am referring to and it has the part in question highlighted

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My question is how are they coming to that answer for work from that expression? Is it from your hint?
 
vela said:
Hint: Consider the multivariable function f(p,V)=constantf(p,V) = \text{constant}. If you differentiate it, you get
df=∂f∂pdP+∂f∂VdV=0.​
This is what I was looking for thank you!
 

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