How to Derive the Acceleration of Mass A in a Double Atwood Machine?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the acceleration of mass A in a double Atwood machine, a system involving multiple masses and pulleys. Participants are attempting to understand the relationships between forces acting on the masses and how to express acceleration in terms of these forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss drawing free-body diagrams to visualize forces acting on the masses. There are attempts to set up equations based on these diagrams, with some participants expressing confusion over algebraic manipulation to arrive at the desired formula for acceleration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have shared their attempts at solving the problem, including equations they have derived. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, with multiple interpretations and approaches being explored. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the tensions and accelerations in the system.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention challenges with algebraic manipulation and the need for clarity on the relationships between the different masses and tensions in the system. There is an indication that some information may be missing or that assumptions need to be clarified for a complete understanding.

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Homework Statement



I've tried and tried and can't solve this to look like this equation. Please Help!

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee237/biggyjoe210/IMAG0175.jpg

1. Show that the Acceleration of Mass A is given by : (look at picture)

IMAG0175.jpg


Homework Equations



F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution



So far all I have is a = g(mA-mB)/(mA+mB)

Im lost
 
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Did you draw any free-body diagrams?
 
Yeah all have tension going up and mg going down except the pulley which has tension up and tension down as well *** mg. The tension of string attaching a and b are the same and c and d are the same.
 
Does the following look like I'm on the right track? Six equations in six unknowns.
 

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Yeah, I have that down. I solved for the smaller system(mA, mB, mD) for acceleration and tension. I'm guessing x is acceleration. If so that's exactly what I have. I can't get the algebra right or something when I solve for a1 and a2(the two separate accelerations of the strings). I keep getting close to the given formula but I'm messing up somewhere.
 
hey do you go to tech??
m having problem with the same question...did you solved it??
 
the trick is displace one body and see the motion of other bodies eg.if u displace the "Mc" body then the other two bodies(Ma and Mb) will as a whole go down but one of them will go up and other down relative to each other.then draw the free body diagram on each.NOTE: tension in the Mc body will be 2times that of ropes of other two.then write the equations involving T and g.gud luck
 
I'm also at Tech. I get some of it, but there are like 3 parts to the final equation that I'm missing. I'm still not exactly sure on how to do this.
 

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