How to Derive the Equality Involving u^s(p) and Spin 4-Vector?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the equality involving the spinor product \( u^{s}(p) \bar{u}^{s}(p) \) and its relation to the expression \( \frac{1}{2} ((\slashed{p} + m)(1+\gamma^5 \slashed{s})) \), where \( s \) is a spin 4-vector. The focus is on theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and spinor algebra.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the equality without a sum over spin states, indicating a lack of clarity on how to approach the tensor product in this context.
  • Another participant asserts that the equality can hold without the sum, clarifying that the "s" on the left side refers to a different entity than the "s" on the right side, which is a four-vector.
  • A participant provides an example in the particle's rest frame, defining the spin 4-vector \( s \) and mentioning the completeness relation when a sum over spin states is included.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the equality without summing over spin degrees of freedom, suggesting that the labeling of the vector does not change the requirement for completeness.
  • One participant references Bjorken & Drell's book as a potential source for understanding the projection operators related to the discussion.
  • A later reply acknowledges that while the book does not contain the exact needed information, it still provided some understanding of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the necessity of summing over spin states for the equality to hold. Some argue that the equality can be valid without the sum, while others maintain that it cannot be established without it.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the spinor components and the conditions under which the equality is claimed to hold. The discussion also reflects a dependence on the completeness relation and the specific context of the spin 4-vector.

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Hello everyone, I have a problem with deriving following equality:
\begin{equation}
u^{s}(p) \bar{u}^{s}(p) = 1/2 ((\slashed{p} + m)(1+\gamma^5 \slashed{s}))
\end{equation}

where s is spin 4-vector. I know how to calculate this tensor product when there is spin sum in front of it, but without the sum, I am clueless. Can someone help me, please? Thank you.
 
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Suzie said:
Hello everyone, I have a problem with deriving following equality:
\begin{equation}
u^{s}(p) \bar{u}^{s}(p) = 1/2 ((\slashed{p} + m)(1+\gamma^5 \slashed{s}))
\end{equation}

where s is spin 4-vector. I know how to calculate this tensor product when there is spin sum in front of it, but without the sum, I am clueless. Can someone help me, please? Thank you.
This identity cannot be true if there is no sum over the "s".
 
No, it is true only without the sum over s. Now I see there might have appeared small misconception: the "s" on the left side is not the same "s" as on the right side of the equality. On the right side, the "s" is four vector.
For example, in particle's rest frame,

\begin{equation}
s = (0, \vec{s})
\end{equation}

where the 3-vector is a unit vector in the direction of the spin of a particle.
With the sum, we would have the completeness relation

\begin{equation}
\sum_{s} u^{s}(p) \bar{s}^s (p) = \slashed p + m
\end{equation}
 
Where did you find it? How can it be true if you don't sum over spin degrees of freedom? Calling it "s" or "r", it does not matter. As well as the completeness relation
[tex]\sum_{s} u^{ s }( p ) \bar{ u }^{s} ( p ) = p_{ \mu } \gamma^{ \mu } + m ,[/tex]
you also have the followings
[tex]\frac{1}{2} ( 1 + \gamma_{5} \gamma^{ \mu } s_{ \mu } ) u^{ s } ( p ) = u^{ s } ( p ) ,[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{2} \bar{ u }^{ s } ( p ) ( 1 - s_{ \mu } \gamma^{ \mu } \gamma_{ 5 } ) = \bar{ u }^{ s } ( p ) .[/tex]
 
I think you can find the answer in Bjorken&Drell's famous book "Relativistic Quantum Mechanics", I remenber it's in the first few chapters.
 
Thank you, there is not exactly what I needed, but it helped me to understand at least part of it.
I still don't see how to get from those projection operators from Bjorken&Drell to my expression.
 

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