How to derive the period of non-circular orbits?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the period of non-circular orbits, specifically focusing on the mathematical formulation and integration involved in the process. The subject area includes celestial mechanics and orbital dynamics.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the period using conservation laws and integrals, questioning the validity of their reasoning and the solvability of the integral. Some participants suggest exploring the relationship defined by Kepler's laws as an alternative approach.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the original poster's approach. There is a mix of exploration of the integral method and reference to established laws of orbital mechanics, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without a clear consensus yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of non-circular orbits and the assumptions inherent in their mathematical models. There is mention of the need to consider the elliptical nature of orbits and the implications of mass ratios in the context of Kepler's laws.

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Homework Statement
How to derive the period of non-circular orbits?
Relevant Equations
$$

T = \sqrt{\frac{4 r_0^3}{\tilde m}} \int_{1}^{r_{min}/r_0}\frac{\rho}{\sqrt{\left ( 1 - \rho \right) \left (\rho - \frac{\ell^2}{\tilde mr_0} \left (1 +\rho \right) \right )} } \; d\rho

$$
By conservation of mechanical energy:
$$
E(r_0)=-\frac{GMm}{r_0}+\frac{1}{2}\mu \left (\dot{r_0}^2+r_0^2 \omega_0^2 \right)
$$
where R0 =Rmax. Because our body is located at the apoapsis the radial velocity is 0. Hence:
$$
E(r_0)=-\frac{GMm}{r_0}+\frac{1}{2}\mu (r_0\omega_0)^2
$$
By the conservation of angular momentum we have:
$$
\omega_0 =\frac{L}{\mu r^2}
$$
$$
E(r_0)=-\frac{GMm}{r_0}+\frac{L^2}{2 \mu r_0^2}
$$
Then, we can relate the radius r at any given time, to the initial energy:
$$
-\frac{GMm}{r} + \frac{1}{2}\mu \left (\frac{dr}{dt} \right)^2 + \frac{L^2}{2 \mu r^2}= -\frac{GMm}{r_0}+\frac{L^2}{2 \mu r_0^2}
$$
$$
\left (\frac{dr}{dt} \right)^2 = \frac{2GMm}{\mu} \left ( \frac{1}{r} - \frac{1}{r_0} \right) + \frac{L^2}{\mu^2} \left ( \frac{1}{r_0^2} - \frac{1}{r^2} \right)
$$
Let
$$\tilde m = \frac{2GMm}{\mu}, \; \ell^2 = \frac{L^2}{\mu^2}$$
$$
\left (\frac{dr}{dt} \right)^2 = \frac{\tilde m}{r} \left ( 1 - \frac{r}{r_0} \right) - \frac{\ell^2}{r^2} \left (1 - \frac{r^2}{r_0^2} \right)
$$
Rearranging a little bit:
$$
\frac{1}{\sqrt{\tilde m}} \int_{r_0}^{r_{min}}\frac{\sqrt{r} \; dr}{\sqrt{\left ( 1 - \frac{r}{r_0} \right) \left (1 - \frac{\ell^2}{\tilde mr} \left (1 + \frac{r}{r_0} \right) \right )}} = \int_0^{T/2} dt
$$
In the radial integral, the limits of integration go from, R0 to Rmin, covering half of the elliptic path of the orbit. This would take T/2 seconds. Because of this, our limits of integration, for t, are 0 and T/2.
Let's define $$\rho = r/r_0$$
$$
dr = r_0 \; d \rho
$$
We finally get:
$$
T = \sqrt{\frac{4 r_0^3}{\tilde m}} \int_{1}^{r_{min}/r_0}\frac{\rho}{\sqrt{\left ( 1 - \rho \right) \left (\rho - \frac{\ell^2}{\tilde mr_0} \left (1 +\rho \right) \right )} } \; d\rho
$$
Solving this integral yields a formula for the period of a body orbiting a star, planet or other celestial body. Is this line of reasoning right? Is this integral even possible to solve? I would appreciate any hint.
 
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Have you tried to (re)search what the orbital period of an elliptical orbit is?
 
TheMisterOdd said:
Solving this integral yields a formula for the period of a body orbiting a star, planet or other celestial body. Is this line of reasoning right? Is this integral even possible to solve? I would appreciate any hint.
I didn't see anything wrong with what you did, but there is a simpler approach based on Kepler's second law. The body sweeps out area at a constant rate, so the period is the area of the ellipse divided by the rate.
 
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From the Kepler equation you get [EDIT: corrected in view of #5]
$$T^2=\frac{4 \pi^2 a^3}{GM},$$
where ##M=M_{\text{sun}}+M_{\text{planet}}##, which for our solar system is approximately ##M_{\text{sun}}##, because even Jupiter has a mass much smaller than that of the Sun (about 1/1000 of the mass of the Sun).
 
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vanhees71 said:
From the Kepler equation
The ##4\pi## should be ##4\pi^2##.
 
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Thanks. I've corrected the typo.
 
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