How to determine how many areas there are between two functions

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The discussion revolves around determining the areas between two functions, specifically focusing on the scenario where the functions intersect and create multiple regions between specified x-values. Participants explore methods for identifying these areas without relying solely on graphical representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a problem involving two functions and two x-values, noting that they initially assumed there was only one area between the functions, but later realized there were three separate areas to consider.
  • Another participant questions the actual problem being discussed and suggests that having a specific example would clarify the discussion.
  • A participant proposes a specific example with the functions y = x + 10 and y = x^2 + 5, and suggests finding the area between x = -7 and x = 6.
  • One participant mentions the need to find the points of intersection of the two functions to proceed with the area calculation.
  • Another participant suggests that the areas should be calculated separately for the intervals defined by the points of intersection and the boundaries, integrating the difference between the functions in each interval.
  • A later reply provides the points of intersection as irrational numbers and discusses the need to evaluate the functions at the boundaries to determine the correct order for integration.
  • Participants discuss the approach of calculating the area under each function between the boundaries and points of intersection, emphasizing the need to add the areas from all relevant intervals to arrive at the final answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the number of areas to consider and the method for calculating them. There is no consensus on a single approach, and multiple viewpoints on how to tackle the problem remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the correct method to find the areas without a graphing utility, and there are unresolved details regarding the specific calculations needed for the areas between the functions.

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I was given a problem with two functions and two x-values for boundaries, so I found the points of intersection (there were two) and attempted to find the area between those functions, but I didn't get to finish. In any case, I would have gotten it wrong, because when graph the two functions and then look at the boundaries, there are 3 separate areas that needed to be added up. I just thought it was another problem with a parabolic curve and a line going through it, and there was only one area in between them, but it was asking me to also include the areas that were not in both functions, i.e.

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Without a graphing utility and short of graphing both functions very accurately to tell this, is there any other way to see that this is what the question was asking for?
 
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daigo said:
I was given a problem with two functions and two x-values for boundaries, so I found the points of intersection (there were two) and attempted to find the area between those functions, but I didn't get to finish. In any case, I would have gotten it wrong, because when graph the two functions and then look at the boundaries, there are 3 separate areas that needed to be added up. I just thought it was another problem with a parabolic curve and a line going through it, and there was only one area in between them, but it was asking me to also include the areas that were not in both functions, i.e.

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Without a graphing utility and short of graphing both functions very accurately to tell this, is there any other way to see that this is what the question was asking for?

What's the actual question? I'm trying to think it through but it'll be easier with a real example.
 
I don't remember it, but I will try to find one or some up with my own, hold on
 
y = x + 10 and y = x^2 + 5, find the area between x = -7 and x = 6
 
daigo said:
y = x + 10 and y = x^2 + 5, find the area between x = -7 and x = 6

First step is find where they intersect.
 
Well I know that, set them equal to each other and it's a couple of irrational numbers (sorry I didn't come up with a cleaner problem; I just picked random numbers instead of multiplying factors), and then I just assume that it's one area and use the integral formula for finding the area of that. I have no idea it's 3 different areas, and would not be able to tell without looking at the exact graph and shading in areas.

In my mind, I am thinking:

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Well let's call these solutions a and b, where a < b. Now graphing the functions you will see one is greater than the other between the intervals (-7 and a), (a,b) & (b,6). Integrate the difference of the functions between these intervals subtracting the lesser function from the greater on each individual interval.
 
edit: too slow :(

daigo said:
y = x + 10 and y = x^2 + 5, find the area between x = -7 and x = 6

They meet at: $x = \dfrac{1\pm\sqrt{21}}{2}$.

Let $\alpha = \dfrac{1}{2}(1-\sqrt{21}) \text{ and } \beta = \dfrac{1}{2}(1+\sqrt{21})$

Let $f(x) = x+10$ and $g(x) = x^2+5$. Work out the points at the lower and upper bounds so we know which order to subtract the integral from (so we don't have a negative answer)
  • $f(-7) = ?$
  • $ f(6) = ?$
  • $g(-7) = ?$
  • $g(6) = ?$

You want to find the area under g(x) between the lower bound (x=-7) and the negative intersection to the x-axis. If you do the same for f(x) between the same two limits then you can subtract the area under f(x) from the area under g(x).

$\displaystyle \int^{-7}_{\alpha} g(x)dx - \int^{-7}_{\alpha}f(x)dx$

i.e. $\displaystyle \int^{-7}_{\alpha} (x^2+5)dx - \int^{-7}_{\alpha}(x+10)dx$

Then you do it between the points of intersection as you know how

You then do the same thing for the area between the positive intersection and the upper bound
$\displaystyle \int^{6}_{\beta} g(x)dx - \int^{6}_{\beta}f(x)dx$

i.e. $\displaystyle \int^{6}_{\beta} (x^2+5)dx - \int^{6}_{\beta}(x+10)dx$

Then you add all three values to get the final answer.
 

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