How to Determine Relative Velocity Using Vector Subtraction

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The discussion revolves around determining relative velocity using vector subtraction, specifically in the context of two objects moving away from a point. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the correct method to find the velocity of one object relative to another, referencing a diagram and conflicting information from a textbook.

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  • Participants explore the concept of relative velocity, questioning how to correctly apply vector subtraction. The original poster attempts to reconcile different answers provided by a textbook and their own calculations. Others suggest considering the velocities of both objects and their relationship to point P.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the calculations involved in determining relative velocity. Some participants have shifted their understanding based on the dialogue, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There are references to diagrams and specific angles related to the velocity of a bird as observed from different frames of reference, highlighting potential confusion over conventional answers and the representation of direction.

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Two objects X and Y are moving away from Point P. The diagram I linked shows it.

It then asks us: Which of the following velocity vectors represent the velocity of X relative to Y.

The answer is B, but the same book told me in another part that we should subtract vectors to get the relative velocity, so: Vector X, east, + (-vector north) = east + south vectors, which would give me Answer A. I am confused, can anyone help me?

Thanks in advance,
Peter G.
 

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What is the velocity of P relative to Y?
 
- Velocity Y?
 
Peter G. said:
- Velocity Y?

So, you have the velocity of P relative to Y, and the velocity of X relative to P. That should lead you to the velocity of X relative to Y. Hmm ... that does look like VX + -VY

Alternatively: What is the displacement of X relative to Y ?

Added in Edit: Oh! I see. You're right, the answer is A, not B. (That's the answer I was getting all along. I have no Idea how they got B !)
 
Yeah, I might have copied the answer from the board incorrectly, because when I drew it, I always got this: (Attachment called Answer)

And, if you don't mind, just another quick doubt: An observer sees a bird flying at 10 m/s east. A second observer, driving a car along the road at 20 m/s in a north direction sees the bird. What is the velocity of the bird relative to the driver?

I get the magnitude correct, but they answer the direction as an angle of 26.5 degrees, and I am unsure of what angle that actually is, can you check to see if it is the one I'm showing in my diagram? I thought they would give the answer as a bearing, since, so far, this it was conventional as an answer for me, but I might have done it wrong.

Thanks once again
 

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You are correct with the angle.
Tan O = opp/adj
O = Inv tan 10/20
O = 26.6

Sorry for the poor lettering hope this makes sense.
 

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