How to determine the "a" in f=ma or, a=f/m. If a 2200 lb car

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The discussion revolves around determining the acceleration of a 2200 lb car struck by a 3300 lb vehicle, specifically focusing on the speed of the striking vehicle based on the distance the stationary car is propelled after the impact. The scope includes conceptual understanding of physics principles, vehicle dynamics, and accident reconstruction.

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  • One participant asks how to determine the acceleration of the 2200 lb car after being struck and seeks to find the speed of the 3300 lb vehicle.
  • Another participant questions which acceleration is being referred to and emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of physics beyond just applying formulas.
  • A participant reiterates the initial question about the speed of the striking vehicle and whether it can be determined with the given information.
  • Another reply points out that the question lacks critical information necessary for accurate vehicle accident reconstruction.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a simplified scenario without additional variables and mentions a formula for estimating speed based on skid marks, noting its limitations.
  • A later reply challenges the idea of using "perfect" physics laws, arguing that real-world factors such as energy loss and friction must be considered.

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Participants generally disagree on the sufficiency of the provided information and the applicability of simplified physics models to the scenario. Multiple competing views remain regarding the complexity of vehicle dynamics and the factors influencing the outcome.

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Participants highlight missing assumptions and the complexity of real-world physics in accident scenarios, indicating that the discussion is limited by the lack of detailed information and the oversimplification of the physics involved.

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How to determine the "a" in f=ma or, a=f/m. If a 2200 lb car Is stationary and is struck by a 3300 lb vehicle and is propelled 27 feetfrom the impact? The 3300 lb vehicle had to be traveling how fast?
 
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Your question is ill defined, which acceleration are you talking about? Phisics is more than simply finding formulas to put numbers into, you need to understand what you are doing and when different theories apply.
 
Vehicle 1 = 2200 lb
Vehicle 2 = 3300 lb
If veh. 1 is moved 27 feet upon impact from veh. 2. How many miles/hr. Was veh. 2 traveling, or can it not be determined?
 
The question is still incomplete. You are missing a lot of important information. Vehicle accident reconstruction is a much more complicated subject than just taking 3 numbers and getting something out of it.
 
Thanks, was not looking for hypotheses, or other variables to include, just in a perfect scenario, no other factors.
I found: An estimate of the speed a car travels found by measuring its skid marks:
The formula r=2√5L can be used, where r is the speed, in miles per hour, and L is the length of the skid marks, in feet.
This appears to be more of a "questimate", too many factors unanswered, what if no skid marks & the force from the impact is projected into the other vehicle?
 
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It doesn't work that way. If you used "perfect" physics laws, ignoring everything but "F= ma", then the impacted car would never stop. In a real situation, you have to take into account energy lost to the "crumpling" of the car as well as friction with the road.
 
Thanks!
 

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