How to do cross product if I have got only two coordinate?

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The discussion centers around the concept of the cross product of vectors, particularly in relation to dimensions. Participants explore the conditions under which the cross product is defined and whether it can be applied in dimensions other than three and seven.

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  • One participant asks how to compute the cross product of two-dimensional vectors and suggests a formula involving determinants.
  • Another participant states that the cross product is only naturally defined in three and seven dimensions, proposing that a zero coordinate must be added to two-dimensional vectors to perform the operation in three-dimensional space.
  • A participant questions whether a cross product can exist in four or five dimensions, suggesting that orthogonal relationships could be established using dot products.
  • Another participant acknowledges that a form of "cross product" exists in higher dimensions but introduces the concept of bivectors and the Hodge dual, indicating a more complex definition in four or five dimensions.
  • One participant confirms that only dimensions three and seven allow for non-degenerate cross products, referencing Hurwitz's theorem to support this claim.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and definition of the cross product in dimensions other than three and seven, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicability of the cross product in higher dimensions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the cross product in various dimensions and the complexities involved in defining it outside the traditionally accepted dimensions.

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a =(x,y), b =(h,k)
a cross b =?

I have idea what to type on google. Is that doing like matrices , a cross b = xk-hy?
thanks.
 
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You can't. The cross product is only naturally defined for 3 dimensions and 7 dimensions. If you want to do the above cross product you would have to add a zero as a third coordinate so that those vectors are on the plane embedded in 3-space i.e. a = (x,y,0) and b = (h,k,0).
 
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"...naturally defined for 3 ... and 7 dimension"Does that mean no cross product can occur in 4 or 5 dimension? I have been reviewing dot and cross product in the last recent few days, and although I have not yet tried to, one would imagine in four dimensions, one could have two vectors, and set up dot product relationships to find what new vector is orthogonal (dot products are zero) to both of these two vectors.
 
symbolipoint said:
"...naturally defined for 3 ... and 7 dimension"Does that mean no cross product can occur in 4 or 5 dimension? I have been reviewing dot and cross product in the last recent few days, and although I have not yet tried to, one would imagine in four dimensions, one could have two vectors, and set up dot product relationships to find what new vector is orthogonal (dot products are zero) to both of these two vectors.
Well...yes. There is a form of "cross product" in 4 or 5 dimensional Euclidean space. Kind of.

Recall that the magnitude of the cross product ##\vec{u}\times\vec{v}## of two vectors ##\vec{u}## and ##\vec{v}## is equal to the area of the parallelogram outlined by the two vectors. That is also the magnitude of the corresponding bivector, which can be intuitively thought of as an oriented family of parallelograms. This bivector is the Hodge dual of the cross product, given by ##\vec{u}\wedge\vec{v}##. Thus, we can define the cross product by ##\vec{u}\times\vec{v}=\star\left(\vec{u}\wedge\vec{v}\right)##.

However, if you think about it, what's the difficulty of this definition? For example, what would be the cross product in ##\mathbb{R}^4##? :wink:
 
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symbolipoint said:
"...naturally defined for 3 ... and 7 dimension"


Does that mean no cross product can occur in 4 or 5 dimension? .
Indeed dimensions 3 and 7 are the only ones that admit non-degenerate cross products (dimension 1 admits a degenerate cross product). It's a result of Hurwitz's theorem, see here (section 5): http://www.math.uconn.edu/~kconrad/blurbs/linmultialg/hurwitzlinear.pdf
 

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