How to evaluate path integrals numerically?

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The discussion revolves around the numerical evaluation of path integrals, particularly in the context of quantum field theory and condensed matter physics. Participants explore various methods, challenges, and theoretical implications related to lattice computations, the sign problem, and the use of path integrals in different physical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Gaussian integration could be used to obtain Green's functions numerically with interacting actions, proposing that numerical methods beyond perturbation theory might yield more accurate results.
  • Others express skepticism about lattice computations, noting the extensive programming and computational resources required, while acknowledging their importance in understanding quantum chromodynamics (QCD).
  • Several participants question the lack of use of lattice path integrals in condensed matter physics, with some speculating that the "sign problem" may be a contributing factor.
  • One participant mentions that while lattice path integrals are utilized in quantum Monte Carlo simulations, the sign problem remains a significant issue.
  • There is a discussion about the sign problem in QCD, particularly at finite density, with references to the implications of introducing chemical potential in the Dirac equation.
  • Technical questions arise regarding the introduction of gamma matrices in the context of the Dirac operator and the implications for determinant properties, with participants discussing the relationship between hermiticity and the choice of metrics.
  • Some participants clarify that the properties of gamma matrices differ between Euclidean and Minkowski signatures, affecting the hermiticity and computational methods used in path integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the applicability and challenges of numerical methods for path integrals, particularly regarding lattice computations and the sign problem. There is no consensus on the reasons for the limited use of lattice path integrals in condensed matter physics, nor on the implications of the sign problem in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unresolved nature of the sign problem in various scenarios, the dependence on specific definitions of metrics and operators, and the complexities introduced by different physical contexts such as QCD and condensed matter systems.

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Since we only know Gaussian integration, could one get Green's function numerically with interacting action. Usual perturbation theory is tedious and limited, could one get high accurate result with PC beyond perturbation?
 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_QCD

However, if you find perturbation theory tedious, lattice computations may not be your best go-to unless you really really like programming, running your code for weeks on a supercluster, and then resubmit because you found a small bug. I would not go near lattice computations, but I am very grateful that others do because they are essential for understanding QCD.
 
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It seems that lattice path integrals are not used in condensed matter. Does someone know why is that?
 
Demystifier said:
It seems that lattice path integrals are not used in condensed matter. Does someone know why is that?
This guy did:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/1943569_Lattice_path_integral_approach_to_the_one-dimensional_Kondo_model
 
Demystifier said:
It seems that lattice path integrals are not used in condensed matter. Does someone know why is that?

I'm not sure, but it may be because of the "sign problem": https://arxiv.org/abs/1105.1374.
 
Demystifier said:
It seems that lattice path integrals are not used in condensed matter. Does someone know why is that?

The path integral over a Euclidean lattice is used in quantum Monte Carlo simulations in condensed matter physics, but the sign problem can be a big issue.
 
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Why does the sign problem not appear in QCD?
 
The sign problem appears in QCD at finite density, \mu \neq 0. Recall that the chemical potential is introduced by taking
<br /> H \rightarrow H - \mu Q<br />
where Q is the particle density (the U(1) Noether current). So for the Dirac equation, Q = \int d^3x \, \bar{\psi} \gamma^0 \psi, so the Euclidean Dirac action becomes
<br /> \mathcal{S} = -\int d^{4} x \bar{\psi} \left( \gamma^{\nu} D_{\nu} + \gamma^0 \mu + m \right) \psi<br />
(D_{\nu} is the covariant derivative, so this analysis includes coupling to gauge fields). Then in the path integral,
<br /> Z = \int\mathcal{D}A \, \mathcal{D}\bar{\psi} \, \mathcal{D}\psi \, e^{-\mathcal{S}} = \int \mathcal{D}A \, \mathrm{det}\left( \gamma^{\nu} D_{\nu} - \gamma^0 \mu + m \right)<br />

Now the issue is that the Dirac operator satisfies
<br /> \left( \gamma^{\nu} D_{\nu} + \gamma^0 \mu + m \right)^{\dagger} = \left( -\gamma^{\nu} D_{\nu} + \gamma^0 \mu + m \right) = \gamma^5 \left( \gamma^{\nu} D_{\nu} - \gamma^0 \mu + m \right) \gamma^5<br />
so
<br /> \mathrm{det}\left( \gamma^{\nu} D_{\nu} - \gamma^0 \mu + m \right)^{\dagger} = \mathrm{det}\left( \gamma^{\nu} D_{\nu} + \gamma^0 \mu + m \right)<br />
So the determinant for Dirac fermions is only real at \mu = 0. For many calculations in lattice QCD you work at zero density and this is ok, but it seems that QCD at finite density is a major subject of interest with very rich many-body physics at play. I don't know much about the field of finite-density QCD, but some searching found an interesting discussion in Section IV of https://arxiv.org/abs/1101.0109 which mentions experimental conditions where this physics should emerge.

Obviously, in context of condensed matter the above manipulations only hold for systems which are Dirac-like at low energies, but more generally one can relate the sign problem to systems whose Euclidean path integrals have non-positive-definite Boltzmann weights.
 
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@king vitamin I have some technical questions about the last two lines of your derivation. What is the point of introducing ##\gamma^5## matrices and how do they disappear in the last line? Does your last line imply that ##{\rm det}(-\gamma^{0\dagger})={\rm det}(\gamma^0)##? If so, how is that compatible with ##\gamma^{0\dagger}=\gamma^0##?
 
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In the last line I am using (\gamma^5)^{-1} = \gamma^5 and the fact that determinants are invariant under similarity transforms,
<br /> \mathrm{det}(M) = \mathrm{det}(S^{-1}M S) \qquad \forall S \in \mathrm{GL}(n).<br />
for M an n\times n matrix.

The point of doing this is to show what I intended to show, but with \mu=0 this constitutes a proof that the determinant of the Euclidean Dirac operator is real in spite of the antihermiticity of \gamma^{\nu}D_{\nu}.

Demystifier said:
Does your last line implies that det(−γ0†)=det(γ0)det(−γ0†)=det(γ0){\rm det}(-\gamma^{0\dagger})={\rm det}(\gamma^0)? If so, how is that compatible with γ0†=γ0γ0†=γ0\gamma^{0\dagger}=\gamma^0?

It does imply that, which is perfectly compatible with the relation you gave. Don't forget that determinants are not linear! \mathrm{det}(aM) = a^n \mathrm{det}(M) for an n\times n matrix.
 
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king vitamin said:
antihermiticity of \gamma^{\nu}D_{\nu}.
Is it a consequence of Euclidean metric? With Minkowski (+---) metric I don't think it's true, because then
$$\gamma^{0\dagger}=\gamma^0 ,\;\; \gamma^{i\dagger}=-\gamma^i, \;\; D_{\nu}^{\dagger}=-D_{\nu}$$
so ##\gamma^{\nu}D_{\nu}## is neither hermitian nor anti-hermitian for Minkowski gamma matrices.
 
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Indeed, the hermiticity properties of the Minkowski-signature gamma matrices are not even invariant under Lorentz transformations. Recall that boosts generators are not Hermitian, so the spinorial representation matrices S corresponding to boosts are non-unitary, so even if \gamma^{\mu} is (anti)hermitian, the matrix S^{-1}\gamma^{\mu}S will not be in general. But in contrast to Spin(1,3), representations of the group Spin(4) can be chosen so that all elements are unitary so that (anti)hermiticity is preserved. (I believe you can choose all of the Euclidean gamma matrices to be antihermitian, and the arguments in my previous posts go through identically.) The fact that Spin(4) has this nice property which Spin(3,1) does not have is related to the compactness of the former.

Of course, Euclidean signature is important before even mentioning fermions because we need to get rid of that factor of i sitting in front of the action in the path integral. Oscillating Boltzmann weights need to be avoided for computational efficiency. Of course, while Euclidean-time is ok if you just want static observables, you need to analytically continue if you want access to dynamics, and analytically continuing numerical results is ill-defined in general. So this is another major stumbling block for these methods.
 
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