How to find acceleration. With only Force of friction?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of an elevator based on the forces acting on a passenger, specifically focusing on the apparent weight experienced during deceleration. The subject area includes concepts of forces, acceleration, and weight in the context of physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between weight, apparent weight, and acceleration, questioning how to derive acceleration from the forces given. There is confusion regarding the role of friction and the implications of constant velocity on acceleration.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some suggesting the use of F=ma to relate forces and mass. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the definitions of weight and acceleration, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to find the acceleration.

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Some participants express confusion about the absence of time or velocity in the problem, while others note that the constant velocity implies zero acceleration. There are also concerns about the correct application of units in calculations.

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How to find acceleration. With only Force of friction??

Homework Statement


While traveling down between floors at a constant speed, a passenger has a weight of 800 N. During the acceleration to stop the elevator, the passenger experiences an apparent weight of 1000 N. Calculate the acceleration of the elevator.

I am confussed because there is two forces of friction. There is no time or velocity. But the velocity is constant.


Homework Equations


I don't have an equation to find acceleration with only Force of friction.


The Attempt at a Solution


Gravity? 9.8 m/s ^ 2 ?
 
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7randomapples said:

Homework Statement


While traveling down between floors at a constant speed, a passenger has a weight of 800 N. During the acceleration to stop the elevator, the passenger experiences an apparent weight of 1000 N. Calculate the acceleration of the elevator.

I am confussed because there is two forces of friction. There is no time or velocity. But the velocity is constant.


Homework Equations


I don't have an equation to find acceleration with only Force of friction.


The Attempt at a Solution


Gravity? 9.8 m/s ^ 2 ?

There is no relevant force of friction in this problem. Weight is weight -- in this problem, all you have is an acceleration, causing an increase in weight.

In the first part, the velocity is constant, so his acceleration is __________.

So from the first part, can you calculate the mass of the person?

In the second part, he is being slowed by an acceleration (or deceleration if you like). That acceleration causes a change in weight, or an apparent change in mass. Use F=ma from here...
 


In the first part, the velocity is constant, so his acceleration is -9.8 m/s ^ 2?

So from the first part, can you calculate the mass of the person? F=ma
m=F/a
m=800 N / -9.81 m/s ^ 2
m= 81.55 m/s ^ 2

In the second part, he is being slowed by an acceleration (or deceleration if you like). That acceleration causes a change in weight, or an apparent change in mass. Use F=ma from here...
Wouldn't this be the same but with 1000 N?
m=F/a
m=1000 N / -9.81 m/s ^ 2
m= 101.94 m/s ^ 2 ??

That does not seem to make sense.
 


7randomapples said:
In the first part, the velocity is constant, so his acceleration is -9.8 m/s ^ 2?

So from the first part, can you calculate the mass of the person? F=ma
m=F/a
m=800 N / -9.81 m/s ^ 2
m= 81.55 m/s ^ 2

In the second part, he is being slowed by an acceleration (or deceleration if you like). That acceleration causes a change in weight, or an apparent change in mass. Use F=ma from here...
Wouldn't this be the same but with 1000 N?
m=F/a
m=1000 N / -9.81 m/s ^ 2
m= 101.94 m/s ^ 2 ??

That does not seem to make sense.

No, no and no. First, constant velocity means no acceleration. Acceleration is the change in velocity with respect to time. Please review the equations of motion, which relate position, velocity and acceleration.

In your equations:
m=F/a
m=800 N / -9.81 m/s ^ 2
m= 81.55 m/s ^ 2

Mass has units of kg. A Newton is a kg*m/s^2. Please review your use of units.

For the 3rd part, you are asked to find the acceleration, not mess with the mass. You have the mass, and you have the force... How can you find the acceleration from that?
 

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