How to Find Air Pressure in a Vessel Being Evacuated Over Time?

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The problem involves determining the air pressure in a vessel being evacuated over time, with specific parameters including vessel volume, initial pressure, and an isothermal process. The evacuation rate is defined as a constant volume of gas removed per unit time, measured under the current gas pressure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas equation and its derivatives to express the change in pressure over time. Questions arise regarding the calculation of moles removed during the evacuation process and the correct interpretation of the evacuation rate.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to incorporate the evacuation rate into the differential equation. There is a focus on ensuring the correct sign for the change in moles as gas is evacuated, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes considerations of assumptions regarding the isothermal process and the independence of the evacuation rate from pressure. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in the mathematical representation of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Find the pressure of air in a vessel being evacuated as a function of evacuation time t. The vessel volume is V, the initial pressure is po. The process is assumed to be isothermal, and the evacuation rate equal to C and independent of pressure.
Note: The evacuation rate is the gas volume being evacuated per unit time, with that volume being measured under the gas pressure attained by that moment.


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The Attempt at a Solution


By the ideal gas equation,
pV=nRT
\frac{dp}{dt}=\frac{RT}{V}\frac{dn}{dt}
\frac{dp}{dt}=\frac{RT}{MV}\frac{dm}{dt}
where m is the mass of gas in the vessel and M is the molar mass of the gas.

Now i am stuck here, i don't know what to do next.
 
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The process removes C units of volume of gas each second. If C units of volume are removed at pressure P and temperature T, how many moles are removed?
 
TSny said:
The process removes C units of volume of gas each second. If C units of volume are removed at pressure P and temperature T, how many moles are removed?

##\frac{PC}{RT}## ?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
##\frac{PC}{RT}## ?

Yes. Use this for dn/dt in your diff eq. [Edit: think about the sign of dn/dt]
 
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TSny said:
Yes. Use this for dn/dt in your diff eq. [Edit: think about the sign of dn/dt]

\frac{dn}{dt}=-\frac{PC}{RT}
(Negative sign because the moles keeps on decreasing)
\frac{dp}{dt}=\frac{RT}{V}\frac{-PC}{RT}
\frac{dp}{dt}=\frac{-PC}{V}
Solving this, i get the right answer. Thanks a lot TSny! :smile:
 

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