What is the final pressure in the balloons after being disconnected?

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The problem involves two balloons connected by a faucet, with different initial pressures and volumes. The task is to determine the final pressure in the balloons after they are disconnected, under the assumption of constant temperature and ideal gas behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas law and question the relevance of volumes in the pressure calculation. There is also inquiry about the mass and atomic mass variables in the equations, and whether they can be considered the same for both balloons.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested assigning different unknowns for mass while others are questioning the necessity of finding the mass flow rate. There is a recognition that additional information may be needed to fully resolve the problem.

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Participants note that the mass of the balloons and atomic mass are not provided, which may affect the ability to set up the equations for the disconnected state. There is also mention of the participants' varying levels of understanding of the topic.

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Homework Statement


Two balloons are connected by a faucet.
Gas in the first balloon is at pressure p_1=100kPa, and in the second is p_2=0,5MPa.
Volumes are V_1=0,12m^3 and V_2=0,5m^3.
Temperature of a gas is constant.
Find pressure in balloons p after faucet is opened (balloons are not connected).

Homework Equations


pV=\frac{m}{M}RT - state of ideal gas

The Attempt at a Solution


State of gas before before balloons are disconnected is
p_1V_1=\frac{m}{M}RT,p_2V_2=\frac{m}{M}RT
and after balloons are disconnected is
p(V_1+V_2)=\frac{2mRT}{M}\Rightarrow p=\frac{2p_1p_2}{p_1+p_2}=166,67kPa.

Is this correct? How volumes V_1 and V_2 are not relevant in the equation for p?
 
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gruba said:
##p_1V_1=\frac{m}{M}RT,p_2V_2=\frac{m}{M}RT##
Are m and M the same for both?
 
haruspex said:
Are m and M the same for both?
Mass of a balloon m and atomic mass M are not given. Could you elaborate how to set the equations
for finding the pressure p in second case (disconnected balloons)?
 
gruba said:
Mass of a balloon m and atomic mass M are not given. Could you elaborate how to set the equations
for finding the pressure p in second case (disconnected balloons)?
You can assume M is the same for both, but not m. Assign two different unknowns. You have enough equations to cope with that.
 
I'm not sure as I'm only just learning this stuff myself though it appears I'm a couple of weeks behind you but wouldn't it be worth finding the mass flow rate? Sorry if that's wrong.
 
JustDerek said:
I'm not sure as I'm only just learning this stuff myself though it appears I'm a couple of weeks behind you but wouldn't it be worth finding the mass flow rate? Sorry if that's wrong.
I read the question as asking about the final state, after flow has ceased and temperatures have returned to ambient.
(Otherwise there is not enough information.)
 

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