How to find force from volumetric flow rate and pressure

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Homework Help Overview

This discussion revolves around a problem related to designing a hovercraft, specifically focusing on the relationship between force, volumetric flow rate, and pressure as derived from a fan's datasheet.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between pressure and force, questioning how to relate force to volumetric flow and velocity. There are attempts to derive constants from a graph and discussions about the orientation of the graph in relation to pressure and flow.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the relationships involved and questioning assumptions about the graph's orientation and the implications of pressure on force. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the graph and the linear relationship between thrust and flow.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of specific values and relationships that need to be clarified, such as the constants F0 and γ, as well as the conditions under which the fan operates, including atmospheric pressure considerations.

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1. Homework Statement
Hi. This is a problem related to designing a RC hover craft. We are given a datasheet for a fan used as thrust.
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We have to approximate the equation to a straight line through the curve. Then relate it to Fthrust = F0+ γ*v. We have to find γ and what F0 represents.

Homework Equations


Q = velocity * Area
F = mass * acceleration

The Attempt at a Solution


I found that the slope is -0.285 [m3/s/mmH20]. To find F0, I think the graph has to be turned on its side: pressure is the independent variable and volumetric flow is the dependent. If pressure is zero, I can find F0 which is the y intercept. But how to relate force to volumetric flow or velocity.
 
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If P is the pressure and A is the area that the pressure acts on, what is the force?
 
If pressure is 0, volumetric flow is high, and small pressure * area is small force. As pressure increases, there will be more force with less flow. Makes sense. From start the fan is operating at atmosphere. I get high results when I search for one atmosphere in mm of water. Am I on the right track?
 
bl965 said:
If pressure is 0, volumetric flow is high, and small pressure * area is small force. As pressure increases, there will be more force with less flow. Makes sense. From start the fan is operating at atmosphere. I get high results when I search for one atmosphere in mm of water. Am I on the right track?
I have no idea. Can you please provide an exact problem statement?
 
(b) We can relate this linear relationship to Fthrust = F0-γv [Note: γ is a constant representing the slope of the F(v) line]. For each fan, based on your approximation in (a), what are the values for F0 and for γ?
 
bl965 said:
I think the graph has to be turned on its side:
No, it looks the right way around already, with pressure on the vertical axis. Seems to me you flipped it around in order to get:
bl965 said:
I found that the slope is -0.285 [m3/s/mmH20].

bl965 said:
how to relate force to volumetric flow or velocity.
What do you think relates volumetric flow through an aperture to the linear flow rate through it?
As Chester asks, what relates pressure to force?
 

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