How to find the antiderivative of cot(x)

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The discussion revolves around finding the antiderivative of cot(x) and involves various calculus concepts, including derivatives and integration techniques. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and reasoning through the steps involved in solving related problems.

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  • #31


sonofjohn said:
I see where the 60 seconds is coming from in the e^60k but not where the y/2 comes from on the other side of the equation.

That's probably what HALF life means
 
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  • #32


Ahhh, got it that makes sense :) So now do I plug the dy/dt = ky into the equation?
 
  • #33


No, you just need to solve for k.
 
  • #34


If I solve for k I would need to take the natural log of both sides and get k = 30lny
 
  • #35


jgens said:
Write your equation in terms of y and then solve.

Edit: try this. We know y = e^kt. If we let y designate the initial amount of the isotope then y = e^k. Now based on the information we may express the half life as: y/2 = e^60k or y = 2e^60k. Equate the two and solve.

Why does y = e^k? If y denotes the initial amount i.e. when t = 0...
 
  • #36


Bah, good point NoMoreExams. I need to be more careful when giving homework advice.

I'm terribly sorry sonofjohn.
 
  • #37


No problem. What the OP should understand is what half life means i.e. we are told at some point time t, half of your stuff is gone. I.e. if y is the total amount, then as you said y/2 is half of the amount we are told that that happens at time t = 60 seconds.

So y/2 = e^(60*k).

We also know that initially, i.e. at t = 0, we had the whole amount i.e.

y = e^(0*k) = 1

Now you know y = 1 and y/2 = e^(60k). I am hopeful you can solve for k
 
  • #38


haha no worries. So instead what should I do?
 
  • #39


sonofjohn said:
haha no worries. So instead what should I do?

Refresh the page and read what I said probably.
 
  • #40


Great! k = 60ln(1/2) or (a). Thanks!
 
  • #41


sonofjohn said:
Great! k = 60ln(1/2) or (a). Thanks!

Are you serious...
 
  • #42


what did I do it wrong?
 
  • #43


...show me how you got to your answer
 
  • #44


ok,

y/2 = e^k/60
ln1/2 = k/60
60ln(1/2) = k
 
  • #45


sigh, shouldn't it be ln(1/2)/60 = k thus giving me (b)
 
  • #46


(b) looks like the better choice
 
  • #47


haha yep thanks!
 

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