How do I set this antiderivative up?

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The discussion revolves around finding an antiderivative for the function represented by the expression \( \sqrt{x^3 + x + 1} \). The original poster is attempting to determine the value of the antiderivative at a specific point, given that \( F(1) = -2.125 \) and they seek to find \( F(4) \).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up the antiderivative as \( \frac{2}{3}(x^3+x+1)^{3/2} \) but questions whether this is correct after finding it does not yield the expected result when evaluated at \( x = 1 \).
  • Some participants question whether the problem has been copied correctly, suggesting that it may not be a straightforward integration problem.
  • Others point out that if the integrand is indeed \( \sqrt{x^3 + x + 1} \), the resulting antiderivative could involve complex expressions, including elliptic functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the setup of the antiderivative. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach, but some guidance has been provided regarding the complexity of the integral involved.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential confusion regarding the problem's formulation, with participants suggesting that the original poster may need to verify the problem statement. The complexity of the integral is noted, with references to elliptic functions and the challenges they present.

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Mod note: Moved from technical math section, so there's no template.
Sorry if I'm formatting this question wrong, new user.
F(x) is an antiderivative of [PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/1/5/915ca58b070b0328cd069524c2d487f2.pngx[SUP]3[/SUP]+x+1. F(1)https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/3/e/43ec3e5dee6e706af7766fffea512721.png -2.125. Find F(4).
I tried to set up the antiderivative as (2/3)(x^3+x+1)^(3/2) and then plugging 1 into get -2.125, but its clearly wrong. Is there another step I need to do?
 
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posted in the wrong place sorry thought this was the homework forum. how do i delete post?
 
jakka said:
Sorry if I'm formatting this question wrong, new user.
F(x) is an antiderivative of [PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/1/5/915ca58b070b0328cd069524c2d487f2.pngx[SUP]3[/SUP]+x+1. F(1)https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/3/e/43ec3e5dee6e706af7766fffea512721.png -2.125. Find F(4).
I tried to set up the antiderivative as (2/3)(x^3+x+1)^(3/2)
No, that isn't right, assuming that the integrand is ##\sqrt{x^3 + x + 1}##. If you differentiate your proposed antiderivative, you don't get ##\sqrt{x^3 + x + 1}##.
jakka said:
and then plugging 1 into get -2.125, but its clearly wrong. Is there another step I need to do?

Are you sure you have copied the problem correctly? As written this is not a simple integration problem.
 
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jakka said:
Mod note: Moved from technical math section, so there's no template.
Sorry if I'm formatting this question wrong, new user.
F(x) is an antiderivative of [PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/1/5/915ca58b070b0328cd069524c2d487f2.pngx[SUP]3[/SUP]+x+1. F(1)https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/3/e/43ec3e5dee6e706af7766fffea512721.png -2.125. Find F(4).
I tried to set up the antiderivative as (2/3)(x^3+x+1)^(3/2) and then plugging 1 into get -2.125, but its clearly wrong. Is there another step I need to do?

If you mean ##f(x) = \sqrt{x^3+x+1}## then ##F(a) = \int_0^a f(x) \, dx## evaluates to a horrible expression involving Elliptic functions. For the record, here is what I get when I do the integral using the computer algebra package Maple:
.400000000000000*a*(a^3+a+1.)^(1/2)+.747347077668721+.334696371293003e-1*(1944.39383604376-905.253833500497*a+1326.71397592448*a^2)^(1/2)/(6.33800237600924+9.28879394984575*a)^(1/2)-.760562326439714*EllipticF(29.7401409537626*(6.33800237600924+9.28879394984575*a)^(1/2)/(81.2424695605669+36.4240851075835*a),.911348956138490)+.995391725896672*EllipticE(29.7401409537626*(6.33800237600924+9.28879394984575*a)^(1/2)/(81.2424695605669+36.4240851075835*a),.911348956138490)+.283999288535776/(81.2424695605669+36.4240851075835*a)*(-.536375634160795e-1*(382.891652874454*a-221.118995987414*a^2-165.754662083937)*(2061.23266890537*a^2-1406.43636015277*a+3020.88330175229))^(1/2)/(6.33800237600924+9.28879394984575*a)^(1/2)
 
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