How to find the energy of an object that was at rest?

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To find the energy of a second rocket that was initially at rest, the discussion centers on the kinetic energy increase of a moving rocket, which is noted to be 4%. The kinetic energy of the moving rocket is expressed as E_k = E_0 + 0.04E_0, leading to the conclusion that the final kinetic energy is E_k = 1.04E_0. The participants explore the relationship between momentum and energy conservation, confirming that the momentum change of both rockets is equal due to the same mass of gas being expelled. Ultimately, the energy of the second rocket is expressed in terms of the initial energy of the moving rocket as E_k = 0.0004E_0.
  • #31
haruspex said:
No, 1.0198 would not be abbreviated to 1.012.
Then what would it be?
haruspex said:
and even if it were, subtracting 1 does not yield 0.12.
Yes sorry, I meant 0.012.
 
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  • #32
Davidllerenav said:
Then what would it be?
You will kick yourself when you realize the error you are making.
Repeatedly increment the final nonzero digit of 1.0198 until there are only two decimal places.
 
  • #33
haruspex said:
Repeatedly increment the final nonzero digit of 1.0198 until there are only two decimal places.
Oh, I think I see it know, woudl it be 1.02?
 
  • #34
Davidllerenav said:
Oh, I think I see it know, woudl it be 1.02?
Yes.
 
  • #35
haruspex said:
Yes.
So ##\Delta v=0.02## and the kinetic energy of the second rocket, the one that was at rest is ##E_k=m\Delta v^2= m(0.02)^2v_0^2##? Is t right?
 
  • #36
Davidllerenav said:
Ek=mΔv2
Not quite... you forgot a factor.
 
  • #37
haruspex said:
Not quite... you forgot a factor.
Oh, yes the ##\frac{1}{2}##, so it is ##E_k=\frac{1}{2}m\Delta v##.
 
  • #38
Davidllerenav said:
Oh, yes the ##\frac{1}{2}##, so it is ##E_k=\frac{1}{2}m\Delta v##.
Now you forgot the square.
 
  • #39
haruspex said:
Now you forgot the square.
Sorry... ##E_k=\frac{1}{2}m(\Delta v)^2= \frac{1}{2}m(0.02)^2v_0^2=\frac{1}{2}m(0.004)v_0^2##. It think it is correct know.
 
  • #40
Davidllerenav said:
Sorry... ##E_k=\frac{1}{2}m(\Delta v)^2= \frac{1}{2}m(0.02)^2v_0^2=\frac{1}{2}m(0.004)v_0^2##. It think it is correct know.
I'm sorry to say that's another arithmetic error.
 
  • #41
haruspex said:
I'm sorry to say that's another arithmetic error.
I see, I made a mistake when I squared 0.02, it is 0.0004, not 0.004. so ##E_k=\frac{1}{2}m(0.0004)v_0^2.
 
  • #42
Davidllerenav said:
I see, I made a mistake when I squared 0.02, it is 0.0004, not 0.004. so ##E_k=\frac{1}{2}m(0.0004)v_0^2##.
Right. And you can simplify slightly combining the 1/2 with the 4.
 
  • #43
haruspex said:
Right. And you can simplify slightly combining the 1/2 with the 4.
Yes, so simplifying I end up with ##E_k=m(0.0002)v_0^2##. And that's all, right?
 
  • #44
Davidllerenav said:
Yes, so simplifying I end up with ##E_k=m(0.0002)v_0^2##. And that's all, right?
Perfect.
 
  • #45
haruspex said:
Perfect.
Ok, thanks. I don't need to write the equations of the momentum of both rocket, do I?
 
  • #46
Davidllerenav said:
Ok, thanks. I don't need to write the equations of the momentum of both rocket, do I?
No, you already used that.
 
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  • #47
haruspex said:
No, you already used that.
Ok, thank you so much for your help.
 
  • #48
Davidllerenav said:
Yes, so simplifying I end up with ##E_k=m(0.0002)v_0^2##. And that's all, right?
There is a problem with this result. Neither ##m## nor ##v_0## are given in the problem description. Instead, what is given is ##E_0##, the initial energy of the moving rocket.

Can you express the result you have in terms of ##E_0## rather than in terms of ##m## and ##v_0##?
 
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  • #49
jbriggs444 said:
There is a problem with this result. Neither ##m## nor ##v_0## are given in the problem description. Instead, what is given is ##E_0##, the initial energy of the moving rocket.

Can you express the result you have in terms of ##E_0## rather than in terms of ##m## and ##v_0##?
Well, since ##E_0=\frac{1}{2}m v_0^2##, I think I can express the result as ##E_k=(0.0004)E_0## right?
 
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  • #50
Davidllerenav said:
Well, since ##E_0=\frac{1}{2}m v_0^2##, I think I can express the result as ##E_k=(0.0004)E_0## right?
Yes, that is what I get as well.
 

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