How to find the equivalent resistance of this infinite circuit?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equivalent resistance of an infinite circuit network as viewed from its ports, specifically in the context of a problem from the MIT course 6.002 "Circuit and Electronics." Participants are examining the algebraic formulation of the equivalent resistance and its implications.

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  • Participants discuss the algebraic approach taken to derive the equivalent resistance, questioning the validity of certain values and suggesting clarifications on the circuit representation. Some participants propose alternative methods such as using continued fractions or approximations for infinite circuits.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's algebra and suggesting that the positive solution is the only acceptable one. There are multiple interpretations of the problem setup being explored, and some participants are offering insights into related concepts without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring that resistance values remain positive and discuss the implications of the infinite nature of the circuit on the calculations. There are references to external sources and literature that may provide additional context for the problem.

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TL;DR Summary: I am following the course 6.002 "Circuit and Electronics" on MIT OCW. There are no solutions to the problem sets. I would like to check my solution to one particular problem.

We are asked to find the equivalent resistance of the network

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as viewed from its ports.

I simplified the network as

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Where ##R_{eq}## is not only the equivalent resistance of the branch shown above, it is also the equivalent resistance of the entire network shown above (because the network shown above repeats itself infinitely).

Then

$$R_{eq}=R+\frac{R_{eq}R}{R+R_{eq}}$$

$$R_{eq}(R+R_{eq})=R(R+R_{eq})+RR_{eq}$$

$$R_{eq}^2=R^2+RR_{eq}$$

$$R_{eq}^2-RR_{eq}-R^2=0$$

$$\Delta = R^2+4R^2=5R^2$$

$$R_{eq}=\frac{R\pm R\sqrt{5}}{2}$$

$$=R\frac{1\pm\sqrt{5}}{2}$$

Is this result correct?

Here is the problem set in full if it is useful.
 
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zenterix said:
TL;DR Summary: I am following the course 6.002 "Circuit and Electronics" on MIT OCW. There are no solutions to the problem sets. I would like to check my solution to one particular problem.

We are asked to find the equivalent resistance of the network

View attachment 332529
as viewed from its ports.

I simplified the network as

View attachment 332530
Where ##R_{eq}## is not only the equivalent resistance of the branch shown above, it is also the equivalent resistance of the entire network shown above (because the network shown above repeats itself infinitely).Here is the problem set in full if it is useful.
Seems like a clear approach. If your algebra is correct I'd say you have it correct.
 
##R=\frac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2}## certainly isn't correct.

Have you checked your own work? How would you use that (positive) value to check?
 
Your approach is fine. I think the circuit you want is the one shown below in which the resistance between points A and B is to be found is clearer about what you are replacing with what in view of the drawing provided by the problem.

InfiniteLadder.png
 
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Note that: (1±√5)/2 ; is the golden ratio, or its reciprocal.

An infinite ladder can be written as an infinite recurring continued fraction, and solved in the same equivalent way.
 
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Babadag said:
According to (Endreny 1967)

Endrenyi, J., “Analysis of transmission tower potentials during ground faults" for a transmission line R1∞=R/2+sqrt(R^2+R^2/4)
If not already clear, note that "R/2+sqrt(R^2+R^2/4)" simplifies to ##R \frac {1+\sqrt 5}2##.
 
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The second addend in the expression ## R _ { eq } = R \frac { 1 } { 2 } + ( \pm R \frac { \sqrt 5 } { 2 } ) ## is resistance and must be positive. This is why ## R _ { eq } = R \frac { 1 + \sqrt 5 } { 2 } ## is the only acceptable solution.
 
zenterix said:
TL;DR Summary: I am following the course 6.002 "Circuit and Electronics" on MIT OCW. There are no solutions to the problem sets. I would like to check my solution to one particular problem.

We are asked to find the equivalent resistance of the network

View attachment 332529
as viewed from its ports.

I simplified the network as

View attachment 332530
Where ##R_{eq}## is not only the equivalent resistance of the branch shown above, it is also the equivalent resistance of the entire network shown above (because the network shown above repeats itself infinitely).

Then

$$R_{eq}=R+\frac{R_{eq}R}{R+R_{eq}}$$

$$R_{eq}(R+R_{eq})=R(R+R_{eq})+RR_{eq}$$

$$R_{eq}^2=R^2+RR_{eq}$$

$$R_{eq}^2-RR_{eq}-R^2=0$$

$$\Delta = R^2+4R^2=5R^2$$

$$R_{eq}=\frac{R\pm R\sqrt{5}}{2}$$

$$=R\frac{1\pm\sqrt{5}}{2}$$

Is this result correct?

Here is the problem set in full if it is useful.
It is indeed but the answer can't be in negative so + one is right
 
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Try puting R adjacent to 2R and 4R then 8R and so on , of resitance increases by a factor of two parallely till infinity. It is a must try
 
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An infinite ladder is insensitive to the far end resistance, because that approximation is attenuated by the intermediate ladder.
Guess a far end value, say 1.5 ohms.
Then repeatedly take the reciprocal, and add one, until you get a stable value.
Solve; x = 1 + 1/x ; and you get the golden ratio = 1.618033
 

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