How to find the input resistance of an amplifier?

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The discussion revolves around finding the input resistance of an amplifier, with a focus on circuit analysis techniques such as Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) and Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL). Participants explore methods for analyzing the circuit presented in a homework problem, discussing the application of different analysis strategies.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares a problem image and expresses difficulty in understanding how to arrive at the solution, suggesting a reliance on the equation Vo = Avo VL (RL/(RL + Ro)).
  • Another participant suggests using KVL for the left-hand loop and notes that ix is the same as ib.
  • A participant confirms that using KVL worked well for their analysis and questions whether KVL is always necessary for such exercises, indicating their inexperience with amplifiers.
  • Responses indicate that the choice of circuit analysis method depends on the specific circuit arrangement, with one participant suggesting that KCL could also be applied but may involve more steps.
  • There is a mention of a blue highlighted area in the circuit, which is described as a simple equivalent circuit or model of a transistor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of KVL for circuit analysis but express uncertainty about the necessity of using KVL in every case. There is no consensus on the best approach, as different methods are suggested and debated.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with amplifiers and circuit analysis methods, indicating that some assumptions about prior knowledge may not hold for all contributors.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about amplifier circuits, circuit analysis techniques, and those seeking clarification on the application of KVL and KCL in practical problems.

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Exercise 1.21.
 
Write KVL for the left hand loop. Note that ix is the same as ib.
 
gneill said:
Write KVL for the left hand loop. Note that ix is the same as ib.

Ok, that worked out pretty nicely! Thank you very much. So just to clarify, when I am doing this type of exercises I need to use KVL's all the time or does it depend? I am really new to amplifiers so I am trying to get where all this is coming from.
 
jean28 said:
Ok, that worked out pretty nicely! Thank you very much. So just to clarify, when I am doing this type of exercises I need to use KVL's all the time or does it depend? I am really new to amplifiers so I am trying to get where all this is coming from.

You use whatever circuit analysis method suits the given circuit arrangement -- choosing which method is simplest to use comes from practice. Here you wanted to find the ratio vx/ix, and those would be principle variables in the KVL for that loop.

I suppose you could apply KCL at node E to find the node voltage there, and then use that and vx to find ix, and then finally determine the ratio vx/ix, but it seems like more work to me.
 
gneill said:
You use whatever circuit analysis method suits the given circuit arrangement -- choosing which method is simplest to use comes from practice. Here you wanted to find the ratio vx/ix, and those would be principle variables in the KVL for that loop.

I suppose you could apply KCL at node E to find the node voltage there, and then use that and vx to find ix, and then finally determine the ratio vx/ix, but it seems like more work to me.

So I treat it as if I was analyzing any other circuit. Then what exactly does the blue highlighted area mean/represent?
 
jean28 said:
So I treat it as if I was analyzing any other circuit. Then what exactly does the blue highlighted area mean/represent?

It happens to be a simple equivalent circuit (or model) of a transistor.
 

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