How to find the maximum angle of a pendulum after a mass collides with it

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The problem involves a collision between a ball and a pendulum, specifically determining the maximum angle the pendulum will swing to after the collision. The context includes concepts from mechanics, particularly relating to collisions and energy conservation.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to consider both masses involved in the collision and the subsequent motion of the pendulum. There are questions about the assumptions regarding the nature of the collision (elastic vs. inelastic) and the implications of these assumptions on the energy calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly focusing on the collision dynamics and energy considerations. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the height derived from energy equations.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the type of collision (elastic or inelastic) and how this affects the energy transfer and maximum height calculations. The original poster's calculations suggest a height that exceeds the physical constraints of the pendulum's radius, prompting further scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


A 10g ball is fired at 6 m/s into a 280g pendulum. What maximum angle will the pendulum swing to if the effective radius of the pendulum is 28cm?

Homework Equations


How to find theta?

The Attempt at a Solution


I converted 28cm to 0.28m; 10g to 0.010kg; and 280g to 0.280kg. I used the equation 1/2mv^2 = mgh to find h to be 1.835. Then I plugged it into inverse cos but get a domain error, like so cos^-1(1.835/0.28).
 
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You know that there are 2 different masses? One mass for the bullet, and one for the combined bullet+pendulum.
 
You need to break the process into two phases: the collision and the subsequent motion.
It does not say so, but you should assume the masses stick together, or at least, have the same velocities just after the collision. Otherwise you do not have enough information.
 
Your value for h is more than twice the radius of the pendulum.
 
An observation arising from alternate method:

After the "collide and coalesce" collision , there is virtually no energy left to lift the combined mass. Energy loss calculated as 1/2 μ Δv^2 where:

μ=m1 * m2 / (m1 + m2) and Δv is the relative velocity of colliding objects - in this case 6m/s.

However it's not really clear from the question whether this is an elastic or inelastic collision. My reading of "fired into" is that it's a perfectly inelastic collision.
 

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