How to find the metric given the interval

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The discussion focuses on deriving the metric from a given interval in the context of Lagrangian mechanics. Participants explore the relationship between the metric tensor and the line element, specifically in a classical mechanics framework.

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  • One participant presents a Lagrangian and asks how to derive it from the given interval, suggesting a general method for determining the metric.
  • Another participant claims that the terms in the interval can be directly associated with components of the metric tensor, identifying specific components as g_{11} = 1 and g_{22} = sin^2(φ), while asserting that off-diagonal terms are zero.
  • Some participants express interest in the subject area, indicating a lack of exposure to the metric concepts in their previous studies.

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There is no consensus on the general method for determining the metric from the interval, as the discussion includes differing levels of familiarity with the concepts involved. Some participants agree on the identification of metric components, while others express uncertainty about the topic.

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Participants note a lack of exposure to metric concepts in classical mechanics courses, which may limit their understanding of the discussion.

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Students and enthusiasts of classical mechanics, particularly those interested in Lagrangian mechanics and the geometric interpretation of physics.

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If we have a Lagrangian which looks like this:

[tex]L=\frac{m}{2}g_{ij}(x)\dot{x}^i\dot{x}^j[/tex]

where:

[tex]ds^2=g_{ij}(x)dx^idx^j[/tex]

If we are told that:

[tex]ds^2=d\phi^2 +(sin^2 \phi) d\theta^2[/tex]

How can we show that the Lagrangian is:

[tex]L=\frac{m}{2}[\dot{\phi}^2 +(sin^2 \phi) \dot{\theta}^2][/tex]

Is there a general way of determing the metric from the interval?

Thanks.
 
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It is easy. The term in the interval proportional to [itex]d\phi^2[/itex] comes from the term [itex]g_{11}[/itex]. Therefore you can read off g_{11} = 1. Similarly you can read off [itex]g_{22} = sin^2(\phi)[/itex]. There are no terms in the interval proportional to [itex]d\phi d\theta[/itex], so you can conclude the off-diagonal terms are 0 in the metric.

If none of this is obvious, write out the summation [itex]g_{ij}dx^{i}dx^{j}[/itex] and convince yourself of it.
 
nicksauce said:
It is easy. The term in the interval proportional to [itex]d\phi^2[/itex] comes from the term [itex]g_{11}[/itex]. Therefore you can read off g_{11} = 1. Similarly you can read off [itex]g_{22} = sin^2(\phi)[/itex]. There are no terms in the interval proportional to [itex]d\phi d\theta[/itex], so you can conclude the off-diagonal terms are 0 in the metric.

If none of this is obvious, write out the summation [itex]g_{ij}dx^{i}dx^{j}[/itex] and convince yourself of it.

thanks nicksauce:)
 
In what subject area is this topic addressed? It sounds very interesting.
 
Prologue said:
In what subject area is this topic addressed? It sounds very interesting.

Classical Mechanics...
 
vertices said:
Classical Mechanics...

Bummer, in my junior mechanics class, we didn't do this.

(i'm not talking about lagrangian stuff but, rather, the metric stuff.)
 

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