How to find the most far and most close ( points on curve ) to another point ?

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The discussion revolves around finding the points on a curve resulting from the intersection of a plane and a cone that are closest and farthest from a given point in three-dimensional space. The context involves the application of maxima and minima values of functions using partial derivatives.

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  • One participant inquires about the method to determine the closest and farthest points on the curve C, defined by the intersection of the plane z=x+y+1 and the cone z²=x²+y², with respect to the origin (0,0,0) and another point (x₁,y₁,z₁).
  • Another participant suggests that the squared distance from the origin can be expressed as x² + y² + z² and hints at rearranging the equation of the plane to facilitate finding the intersection.
  • A participant expresses the need to find points specifically on the curve C, indicating that (x,y,z) represents any point, and seeks clarification on how to restrict to points on the curve.
  • There is a reiteration of the suggestion to rearrange the plane equation and square it to compare with the cone's equation.

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Participants appear to agree on the need to find points on the curve C, but there is uncertainty regarding the method to restrict points to the curve while calculating distances.

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Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps necessary to find the points on the curve C or how to apply the distance formula in this context.

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how to find the "most far and most close" ( points on curve ) to another point ?

i'm studying a chapter on how to find maxima and minima values of a function using partial derivatives.

one of the problems is the following:
"if plane z=x+y+1 intersects cone z^2=x^2+y^2
let the curve that result from intersection, is C
What is the most far and most close points on C, with respect to (0,0,0) ? and also with respect to (x_1,y_1,z_1)"

i think that that curve would be something like a circle, and that there would be some function that depends on the length between "(0,0,0) or (x_1,y_1,z_1)", and "any point on C".

But what is that function ?
And how to work out that problem ?

* I've exam in that chapter after about 10 hours, so please try to answer me with detailed answer as I've no time for discussions for now, may be i do that later.
 
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AbuYusufEg said:
"if plane z=x+y+1 intersects cone z^2=x^2+y^2
let the curve that result from intersection, is C
What is the most far and most close points on C, with respect to (0,0,0) ? and also with respect to (x_1,y_1,z_1)"

Hi AbuYusufEg! :smile:

Hint: the distance2 from (0,0,0) to (x,y,z) is x2 + y2 + z2

and to help find the intersection, I suggest you rearrange z = x + y + 1 and then square it. :wink:
 


yes i got that, but i want the points that ONLY on the curve C, i think that (x,y,z) is any point.
So, How can i get the points that only on the curve C ?
 
AbuYusufEg said:
yes i got that, but i want the points that ONLY on the curve C, i think that (x,y,z) is any point.
So, How can i get the points that only on the curve C ?

Rearrange z = x + y + 1 and then square it, and compare with z2 = x2 + y2 :smile:
 

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