How to find the particular solution using undetermined coefficients?

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The discussion revolves around finding a particular solution to the differential equation x'' + 5x' + 4x = 2sin(2t) using the method of undetermined coefficients, with initial conditions x(0) = 1 and x'(0) = 0. Participants explore the nature of the system, debating whether it is underdamped or overdamped.

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  • Participants discuss the need to solve the homogeneous equation first and question the form of the particular solution. There are attempts to derive coefficients for the particular solution and confusion regarding the professor's answer. Some participants express uncertainty about the damping nature of the system and the implications for the solution.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem and the solutions. Some participants have provided guidance on the general solution and the need to apply initial conditions, while others are questioning the correctness of the professor's answer and the derived particular solutions.

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Participants note discrepancies in the professor's answer and the setup of the problem, including potential errors in the signs and terms involved. There is also mention of formatting issues due to technical difficulties.

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Homework Statement



Find a particular solution to the differential equation using undetermined coefficients.

x[itex]^{''}[/itex]+5x[itex]^{'}[/itex]+4x=2sin2t
x(0)=1
x'(0)=0


I know that the equation is underdamped because c<W[itex]_{0}[/itex], and that W[itex]_{0}[/itex]=2.

I know that the particular solution is x(t)=acos(2t)+bsin(2t)=Asin(2t)/(W[itex]_{0}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex]-w[itex]^{2}[/itex])

Plugging the initial conditions into x(t) and x[itex]^{'}[/itex](t) gives me a=1 and b=0.

However, my professors answer is:

x(t)=[itex]\frac{8}{5}[/itex]e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]-e(2/5)[itex]^{-4t}[/itex]

How did he get this final answer? My book seems to set the solutions up differently, my professor hasn't been returning my e-mail, and my exam is tomorrow morning! Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Do you remember how to solve differential equations? First you should solve the homogeneous equation,
[tex]x'' + 5x' + 4x = 0[/tex]
Easiest way in this case is to try to find solutions of the form [itex]x = e^{rt}[/itex] where r is a constant.
 
giacomh said:

Homework Statement



Find a particular solution to the differential equation using undetermined coefficients.

x[itex]^{''}[/itex]+5x[itex]^{'}[/itex]+4x=2sin2t
x(0)=1
x'(0)=0


I know that the equation is underdamped because c<W[itex]_{0}[/itex], and that W[itex]_{0}[/itex]=2.

I know that the particular solution is x(t)=acos(2t)+bsin(2t)=Asin(2t)/(W[itex]_{0}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex]-w[itex]^{2}[/itex])

Plugging the initial conditions into x(t) and x[itex]^{'}[/itex](t) gives me a=1 and b=0.

However, my professors answer is:

x(t)=[itex]\frac{8}{5}[/itex]e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]=[itex]\frac{2}{5}[/itex]e[itex]^{-4t}[/itex]

How did he get this final answer?

Something is wrong here. The two sides of your professor's answer aren't equal to each other, and neither one could possibly give a sine function when you plug it into the equation. You should find the general solution of the homogeneous equation first, then look for a particular solution of the NH equation of the form ##y_p=A\cos(2t)+B\sin(2t)##.
 
giacomh said:

Homework Statement



Find a particular solution to the differential equation using undetermined coefficients.

x[itex]^{''}[/itex]+5x[itex]^{'}[/itex]+4x=2sin2t
x(0)=1
x'(0)=0


I know that the equation is underdamped because c<W[itex]_{0}[/itex], and that W[itex]_{0}[/itex]=2.
What do you mean by c? The system is actually overdamped. This is clear because the roots to the characteristic equation are real.
 
Sorry in advanced for poor formatting. My internet is down and I have to use my phone. I agree that the equation is overdamped, I had under written in my notes. I found -4/3((e^-t)+(e^-4t)) for the homogeneous equation. I have no idea how my professor got his answer. Also, there was a 0 sin 2t at the end of his answer if that helps. I had to edit the original answer of his that I posted. There was an equal sign where there should have been a minus.
 
I just got -2/5(cos2t+sin2t) as my particular solution
 
giacomh said:
I just got -2/5(cos2t+sin2t) as my particular solution

That is incorrect. You should get ##x_p=-\frac 1 5 \cos(2t)##. If you add that to the general solution of the homogeneous equation ##x_h = Ae^{-4t} + Be^{-t}## you will have the general solution to the DE. When you apply the initial conditions to figure out ##A## and ##B## you should find the unique solution to the initial value problem is$$
x=-(\frac 2 5)e^{-4t}+(\frac 8 5)e^{-t}-\frac 2 5 \cos(2t)$$Your professor just left off the last term.
 

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