How to find the time for a curved path ?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the time taken for a car traveling from point A to point D and then from point D to point C along a steep hill with a curved path. The participants emphasize the importance of using the correct equations of motion, specifically V2^2 - V1^2 = 2g*d for calculating velocity and time. They agree that the curved path can be neglected due to its insignificance, allowing for a straightforward application of kinematics and energy conservation principles. The final calculations yield a total time of approximately 8.39 seconds for the entire journey.

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  • #31
Lolagoeslala said:
But here we are looking at a different distance... and its gsinθ
I know u guys said to keep the velocity constant which is this 44.27188724 m/s
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You should avoid doing "..." in your posts. No one knows what that means. Please take the time to complete your thoughts.

Can you please reformulate your last post into one or more questions?​
 
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  • #32
lewando said:
You should avoid doing "..." in your posts. No one knows what that means. Please take the time to complete your thoughts.

Can you please reformulate your last post into one or more questions?

Well, i was thinking since between C and D, the distance is 100 m, not the same as from A to C. And the gravity is not 9.8sinθ, but since its a straight line wouldn't it just be 9.8?
 
  • #33
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Lolagoeslala said:
Well, i was thinking since between C and D, the distance is 100 m, not the same as from A to C. [true] And the gravity is not 9.8sinθ, but since its a straight line wouldn't it just be 9.8? [technically speaking, gravity does not change during the course of the car's journey. The acceleration due to gravity affects the motion from A to C, but does not affect the motion from C to D, because of the horizontal nature of the motion]
Are you familiar with free body diagrams? Are you familiar with Newton's first law?
 
  • #34
lewando said:
My comments in blue

Are you familiar with free body diagrams? Are you familiar with Newton's first law?

yes sir i am aware. Oh i see what you are trying to say. If the motion is uniform the gravity does not affect it. But what about the distance difference. Should i just use this equation v2 = at to find the time, not considering the distance change? from CD
 
  • #35
If you are able to find the final velocity at the end of the ramp (I'll call V), then the time from C to D can be found with:
V = CD * t
Where CD is the distance between CD. When on a friction less, horizontal plain; the force due to gravity is equal and opposite to the normal force and no acceleration takes place. Since the plain lacks friction, there is no deceleration. Therefore, velocity stays constant during CD
 
  • #36
Sdtootle said:
V = CD * t
Probably just a typo: This should be V=CD/t
Velocity is distance per time.
 
  • #37
Sdtootle said:
If you are able to find the final velocity at the end of the ramp (I'll call V), then the time from C to D can be found with:
V = CD * t
Where CD is the distance between CD. When on a friction less, horizontal plain; the force due to gravity is equal and opposite to the normal force and no acceleration takes place. Since the plain lacks friction, there is no deceleration. Therefore, velocity stays constant during CD

So like this :

V= 44. 277188724 m/s (this is the velocity from AC)
D = 100 m (CtoD distance)
t = (time)
t= 100 m / 44. 277188724 m/s
t = 2.258769757 s
 
  • #38
Looks correct.
 
  • #39
Lolagoeslala said:
So like this :

V= 44. 277188724 m/s (this is the velocity from AC)
D = 100 m (CtoD distance)
t = (time)
t= 100 m / 44. 277188724 m/s
t = 2.258769757 s

Thanks mfb! I can be so slow in the mornings.

Lola: don't forget to account for the time going down the ramp.

Total time should be closer to 3s, but still slightly less then 3s.
 
  • #40
I agree with Sdtootle.

The key idea here is to note that the time it takes to travel from A to D is the same time that the car's "shadow" moves from B to D. t(AD) = t(BD).

Then 100/v = 100(sq root 2). Solve for v. Then t(total journey) = D/v .
 
  • #41
tomstringer said:
I agree with Sdtootle.

The key idea here is to note that the time it takes to travel from A to D is the same time that the car's "shadow" moves from B to D. t(AD) = t(BD).
This may be true, but how does it help?
Then 100/v = 100(sq root 2). Solve for v. Then t(total journey) = D/v .
Not following what you are trying to say. Solving for v this way, you get v = 1/√2 m/s. I thought we established that the speed at the bottom of the hill is 44.27 m/s.
 

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