How to Find the Wind Component Parallel to a Dash Vector?

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The problem involves determining the component of a wind vector that is parallel to a dash vector in a physics context. The dash is represented by the vector v = 4i + 7j, and the wind velocity is given as w = 5i + j km/hr. The task is to find the component of w that aligns with v while adhering to specific rules regarding wind speed.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the geometric relationship between the vectors and the conditions for parallelism. There are inquiries about the operations needed to find the component of one vector parallel to another, as well as clarifications on the use of scalar products and unit vectors.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various mathematical concepts related to vector projections. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of scalar products to find the desired component, but there is no explicit consensus on the method to be used.

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Participants express uncertainty about the specifics of the problem and the implications of the rules regarding wind speed. There are also references to previous posts that may contain hints or relevant information for solving the problem.

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Homework Statement



A 100 meter dash is run on a track in the direction of the vector v = 4i + 7j. The wind velocity w is 5i + j km/hr. The rules say that a legal wind speed measured in the direction of the dash must not exceed 5 km/hr.

Find the component of w which is parallel to v.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea to solve this problem
 
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-EquinoX- said:

Homework Statement



A 100 meter dash is run on a track in the direction of the vector v = 4i + 7j. The wind velocity w is 5i + j km/hr. The rules say that a legal wind speed measured in the direction of the dash must not exceed 5 km/hr.

Find the component of w which is parallel to v.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea to solve this problem
You must have some idea. Which operation gives to the component of one vector that is parallel to another?
 
it's parallel to one another if it's angle between them is 0 right?

so therefore using the geometric of vectors:

v . w = |v| * |w|, right?
 
-EquinoX- said:
it's parallel to one another if it's angle between them is 0 right?

so therefore using the geometric of vectors:

v . w = |v| * |w|, right?

Sure, if v . w = |v| * |w| then w and v are parallel; but that's not what Hootenanny was asking.

Suppose you want to find 'the component of w' that is parallel to v...how would you do that?
 
-EquinoX- said:
it's parallel to one another if it's angle between them is 0 right?

so therefore using the geometric of vectors:

v . w = |v| * |w|, right?
That is correct. However, it is perhaps more useful to note that:

[tex]\mathbf{v}\cdot\left(\frac{\mathbf{w}}{\left\|\mathbf{w}\right\|}\right) = \left|\mathbf{v}\right|\cos\theta[/tex]

That is, if u is a unit vector then the scalar product v.u gives the projection of v in the direction u.

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gabbagabbahey said:
but that's not what Halls was asking.
 
hmmm...so how do I apply this to the question?
 
gabbagabbahey said:
but that's not what Hootenanny was asking.

o:) o:) o:)
 
Is this question asking for a new wind speed/vector which is parallel to v
 
-EquinoX- said:
Is this question asking for a new wind speed/vector which is parallel to v
No. The question is asking for the component of w that is parallel to v. Can you use the hints I have you in post number 5 to solve this problem?
 
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Hootenanny said:
No. The question is asking for the component of w that is parallel to v. Can you use the hints I have you in post number 5 to solve this problem?

No, I don't...
 
  • #11
-EquinoX- said:
No, I don't...
I don't know how I can make it clearer without explicitly giving you the answer. Pay particular attention the the last paragraph in on of my previous posts.
Hootenanny said:
That is correct. However, it is perhaps more useful to note that:

[tex]\mathbf{v}\cdot\left(\frac{\mathbf{w}}{\left\|\mathbf{w}\right\|}\right) = \left|\mathbf{v}\right|\cos\theta[/tex]

That is, if u is a unit vector then the scalar product v.u gives the projection of v in the direction u.
 
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what is u related to my question?
 
  • #13
why is it v . w/||W|| not w . v/||v||
 
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-EquinoX- said:
why is it v . w/||W|| not w . v/||v||

v . w/||W|| gives the component of v parallel to w.

w . v/||v|| gives the component of w parallel to v.

Since you are trying to find the component of the wind speed w parallel to the velocity v; you will indeed want to use w . v/||v|| for your problem.
 
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gabbagabbahey said:
v . w/||W|| gives the component of v parallel to w.

w . v/||v|| gives the component of w parallel to v.

Since you are trying to find the component of the wind speed w parallel to the velocity v; you will indeed want to use w . v/||v|| for your problem.

ok thanks! I got it now
 

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