Vectors and Two Dimensional Motion

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving vectors and two-dimensional motion, specifically focusing on the velocity of an airplane and the effects of wind on its resultant velocity and displacement over a distance of 2000 km.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to calculate the resultant velocity of the airplane considering both its airspeed and the wind's effect. There are questions about which velocity to use when calculating time for displacement, with some participants expressing confusion over the terms "airspeed" and "ground speed."

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the wording of the original question and exploring the implications of using resultant velocity versus airspeed. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the resultant velocity for calculating displacement relative to the ground.

Contextual Notes

There are concerns about the clarity of the problem statement, particularly regarding whether the displacement is relative to the ground or the air. Participants note that the question could have been better framed to avoid confusion.

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Homework Statement


The velocity of an airplane is 425 km/h, in a direction of 40 degrees north of east. The wind is blowing at a velocity of 75 km/h northward.
A. What is the resultant velocity of the plane?
B. How long does it take for the plane to make a displacement of 2000 km?

Homework Equations


Horizontal component: Rx=Rcosθ
Vertical component: Ry=Rsinθ
Velocity resultant: √(Rx)^2+(Ry)^2
Direction: tanθ=Ry/Rx
Time: Δt=Δx/v

The Attempt at a Solution


I split the plane and wind vectors to Rx and Ry and calculated the total Rx and total Ry. Then I calculated the Resultant Velocity and the Direction.
My problem is in the second requirement. I used the formula Δt=Δx/v. What velocity should I use here? Should I use the Horizontal or Vertical or Resultant Velocity(from the first requirement) to find the time?
 
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Eagleq8 said:
My problem is in the second requirement. I used the formula Δt=Δx/v. What velocity should I use here? Should I use the Horizontal or Vertical or Resultant Velocity(from the first requirement) to find the time?

What do you think?
 
PeroK said:
What do you think?
The resultant velocity?
 
Eagleq8 said:
The resultant velocity?

What else?
 
PeroK said:
What else?
What do you mean? Sorry I am not good in physics :p
 
Eagleq8 said:
What do you mean? Sorry I am not good in physics :p

Resultant velocity is velocity. The others are just components. The overall displacement depends on the overall velocity.
 
PeroK said:
Resultant velocity is velocity. The others are just components. The overall displacement depends on the overall velocity.
Aha I see. Thanks ^^
 
Eagleq8 said:
Aha I see. Thanks ^^

I should add that the question would have been better if it emphasised that you are given the airspeed of the aircraft (i.e. the velocity relative to the air) and the velocity of the air relative to the ground and the required resultant velocity of the aircraft is relative to the ground.

In addition, the required displacement of the aircraft is relative to the ground.
 
PeroK said:
I should add that the question would have been better if it emphasised that you are given the airspeed of the aircraft (i.e. the velocity relative to the air) and the velocity of the air relative to the ground and the required resultant velocity of the aircraft is relative to the ground.

In addition, the required displacement of the aircraft is relative to the ground.
I see. Sorry but I just want to make sure, even though I am given the airspeed of the aircraft which is 425 km/h I should still use the resultant velocity instead of the given one because the wind changes the speed of the aircraft right?
 
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Eagleq8 said:
I see. Sorry but I just want to make sure, even though I am given the airspeed of the aircraft which is 425 km/h I should still use the resultant velocity instead of the given one because the wind changes the speed of the aircraft right?

The wind means that the ground speed of the aircraft is different from its airspeed.
 
  • #11
Here's how I interpreted your question.

The velocity of an airplane (relative to the air) is 425 km/h, in a direction of 40 degrees north of east. The wind is blowing at a velocity of 75 km/h northward.
A. What is the resultant velocity of the plane (relative to the ground)?
B. How long does it take for the plane to make a displacement of 2000 km (relative to the ground)?
 
  • #12
So I still should use the resultant velocity which is the ground speed of the aircraft instead of the given velocity which is the airspeed of the aircraft, in order to find the time it takes for the aircraft to make a displacement of 2000 km. correct?
 
  • #13
Eagleq8 said:
So I still should use the resultant velocity which is the ground speed of the aircraft instead of the given velocity which is the airspeed of the aircraft, in order to find the time it takes for the aircraft to make a displacement of 2000 km correct?

See above. If the displacement is relative to the ground, then yes.
 
  • #14
PeroK said:
See above. If the displacement is relative to the ground, then yes.
How do I know if the displacement is relative to the ground? The question is literally the same as what I typed at the top of the post(to find the time it takes for the plane to make a displacement of 2000 km)
 

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  • #15
Eagleq8 said:
How do I know if the displacement is relative to the ground? The question is literally the same as what I typed at the top of the post(to find the time it takes for the plane to make a displacement of 2000 km)

You don't know. You just have to make your best guess. For what it's worth, I think it's a poorly worded question. I would move on.
 
  • #16
PeroK said:
You don't know. You just have to make your best guess. For what it's worth, I think it's a poorly worded question. I would move on.
Yeah true there are many poorly worded questions. So just to round it up so I can solve it and show the teacher. I should just use the resultant velocity right?
 
  • #17
Notwithstanding the question isn't precisely worded, it makes little sense to ask "what's the displacement relative to the patch of air the aircraft went through 2000km ago".
 
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