How to find wavelength with only distance

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The discussion revolves around calculating the wavelength of sound waves in a tube with closed ends, given specific parameters such as the length of the tube and the speed of sound in different media. The original poster seeks to understand how to derive the wavelength using the distance between nodes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between wavelength and the distance between nodes, with one participant attempting to clarify the definition of wavelength in this context. Questions arise regarding whether the wavelength is defined by the distance between two nodes or three successive nodes.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the definition of wavelength and its relationship to node spacing. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations regarding the measurement of wavelength.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem's parameters and are attempting to reconcile their understanding of wave properties with the information provided in the homework statement.

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Homework Statement


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A metal rod attached to a tube with both closed ends is stimulated to create waves inside the tube.

If:
L = 1.0 m
d = 0.05 m
Speed of sound in air = 340 m/s
Speed of sound in metal = 1,000 m/s

Calculate the value of x using the wavelength of air.

Homework Equations


Frequency = Velocity / Wavelength

The Attempt at a Solution


The frequency of the the metal is the same as the frequency in air, so:

1,000 / (2*1.0) = 340 / wavelength of air

Because the wavelength of the metal is 2 * L.

340 / 500 = wavelength of air
0.68 = wavelength of air

How do I calculate wavelength with only the distance between two nodes (d)? I need x from wavelength according to the problem's instructions so I have to work backwards but I don't know any formulas for this one.
 
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PhizKid said:
How do I calculate wavelength with only the distance between two nodes (d)?

Wavelength is the distance between two nearest nodes = d. Can you clarify what you are trying to find?
 
voko said:
Wavelength is the distance between two nearest nodes = d. Can you clarify what you are trying to find?

I thought the wavelength was the distance between 3 nodes, since between two nodes is only half the cycle. This is where I'm confused...is the wavelength between two nodes, or is the wavelength between 3 successive nodes? Because I thought the distance between two nodes only completed half the cycle.
 
Sorry, you are right. What I meant to say was distance between two crests, which is what the diagram shows, I think.
 
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