How to get the third value (A), using partial fractions

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The discussion revolves around the use of partial fractions to decompose the expression y(w) = 3/((iw-1)^2(-4+iw)). Participants are exploring how to isolate the coefficient A in the partial fraction decomposition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the decomposition of the expression into partial fractions, questioning the method used to find the coefficients A, B, and C. There is mention of setting specific values for iw to solve for these coefficients, and some participants express confusion regarding notation and the implications of their calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different approaches to finding the coefficients. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for a common denominator and setting equations based on coefficients, but no consensus has been reached on the method to isolate A.

Contextual Notes

There are concerns about ambiguous notation in the expressions used, which may hinder understanding. Participants are encouraged to clarify their notation to facilitate better communication of their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


y(w)= 3/(iw-1)^2(-4+iw)

Homework Equations


N/A

The Attempt at a Solution


3/(iw-1)^2(-4+iw)
= A/iw-1 + B/(iw-1)^2 + C/-4+iw

for B iw = 1
B=3/-4+1 = -1

for C iw = 4
C= 3/(4-1)^2 = 1/3

I know the answer for A should be -1/3 however I am unsure how to obtain this as if the above cancellation method is used then the denominator equals 0.
 
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You need to get a common denominator in part 3, and then write 3 equations with ## A ##, ## B ##, and ## C ##, so that the coefficients of the ## w^2 ## terms add to zero, the coefficients of the ## w ## terms add to zero, and the constant terms add to ## 3 ##. Do you see why?
 
Jeviah said:

Homework Statement


y(w)= 3/(iw-1)^2(-4+iw)

Homework Equations


N/A

The Attempt at a Solution


3/(iw-1)^2(-4+iw)
= A/iw-1 + B/(iw-1)^2 + C/-4+iw

for B iw = 1
B=3/-4+1 = -1

for C iw = 4
C= 3/(4-1)^2 = 1/3

I know the answer for A should be -1/3 however I am unsure how to obtain this as if the above cancellation method is used then the denominator equals 0.
I can't follow your logic here. Part of the problem is your notation. What does 3/(iw-1)^2(-4+iw) mean? What does C/-4+iw mean? Try using LaTeX. It is easy to use and makes it easy to express what you mean.
 
Jeviah said:

Homework Statement


y(w)= 3/(iw-1)^2(-4+iw)

Homework Equations


N/A

The Attempt at a Solution


3/(iw-1)^2(-4+iw)
= A/iw-1 + B/(iw-1)^2 + C/-4+iw

for B iw = 1
B=3/-4+1 = -1

for C iw = 4
C= 3/(4-1)^2 = 1/3

I know the answer for A should be -1/3 however I am unsure how to obtain this as if the above cancellation method is used then the denominator equals 0.

Your expressions are ambiguous and do not say what you probably mean. Your C/-4+iw means ##\frac{C}{-4} + iw##. If you mean ##\frac{C}{-4 + iw}## then you need parentheses, like this: C/(-4+iw)---simple, but effective!
 
Jeviah said:
I know the answer for A should be -1/3 however I am unsure how to obtain this as if the above cancellation method is used then the denominator equals 0.
The method you're using is quick, but as you've found out, it runs into some problems.

Starting from
$$\frac{3}{(i\omega-1)^2(-4+i\omega)} = \frac{A}{i\omega-1} + \frac{B}{(i\omega-1)^2} + \frac{C}{-4+i\omega},$$ if you multiply through by the denominator, you end up with
$$3 = A(i\omega - 1)(i\omega - 4) + B(i\omega-4) + C(i\omega-1)^2.$$
There are different approaches you can take from here. Charles suggested one above, and it's well worth trying it out and understanding how it works.

Alternately, you could, as before, set ##i\omega## to convenient values and solve for ##B## and ##C##. Once you have those, plug them back into the equation and then choose another value for ##i\omega## and solve for ##A##. Remember you can use any value for ##i\omega## since the equality has to hold for all ##\omega##.
 

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