How to Integrate dz/ (y^2 + (x-z)^2))^1/2 Using Inverse Hyperbolic Functions?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression dz / (y^2 + (x-z)^2)^(1/2), focusing on the use of inverse hyperbolic functions and various substitution methods to simplify the integral.

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  • Participants explore different substitution techniques, including trigonometric and hyperbolic substitutions, to address the integral. Some question the presence of the square root in the denominator and seek clarification on the derivation process.

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Several participants have offered different approaches to the integral, with some providing detailed steps for substitutions. There is an ongoing exploration of methods without a clear consensus on the best approach, as participants share their reasoning and interpretations.

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Some participants mention specific limits for the integral, indicating that the context may involve definite integration from 0 to L. There is also a reference to the complexity of the resulting logarithmic function after integration.

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Integral of dz/ (y^2 + (x-z)^2))^1/2
 
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Let x-z equal y sinh t
 
I would do it as a sequence of substitutions (planck42's use of a single substitution is correct and faster but harder to see).

First, because that "[itex](x- z)^2[/itex]" is a nuisance, let u= x- z. Then du= -dz so the integral becomes
[tex]-\int \frac{du}{y^2+ u^2}[/tex].

Now, remembering that [itex]sin^2(\theta)+ cos^2(\theta)= 1[/itex] so that [itex]tan^1(\theta)+ 1= sec^2(\theta)[/itex] and that [itex]y^2+ u^2= y^2(1+ (u/y)^2[/itex], let [itex]u/y= tan(\theta)[/itex] so that [itex]du= y^2 sec^2(\theta)d\theta[/itex] and [itex]y^2+ u^2= y^2(1+ (u/y)^2)= y^1(sec^2(\theta))[/itex] (Again, Planck42's hyperbolic substitution works fine but I learned trig substitutions before hyperbolic substutions so I tend to think of them first!). That makes the integral
[tex]\int\frac{y^2 sec^2(\theta)d\theta}{y^2 sec^2(\theta)}[/tex]
 
Thank you for the reply, but there is a square root at the denominator (y^2+ (x-z)^2)^1/2.

I know the answer of this derivation, with respect to limits 0 to L,

Integral of
dz/ Square root of (y^2+(x-z)^2) =
ln (x+ Square root of (x^2+y^2)/ x-L + square root of ((x-L)^2+y^2))

Please explain me the derivation part.
 
Going off of Halls' steps,
u/y = tanθ → u = y·tanθ
du = y·sec2θ dθ
[tex]\sqrt{(y^2+ u^2)} = \sqrt{(y^2(1+ (u/y)^2))} = \sqrt{(y^2(\sec^2\theta)} = y\sec \theta[/tex]

Then you get
[tex]\int \frac{y \sec^2 \theta ~d\theta}{y\sec \theta} = \int \sec\theta ~d\theta[/tex]
 
Let x-z be y sinh t
dz=-ycosh t dt

Using the identity [tex]cosh^{2}t=1+sinh^{2}t[/tex], we get

[tex]{\int}-dt[/tex]

Which is just -t. Now to put back the x's, y's, and z's.

[tex]x-z=ysinht[/tex] so
[tex]t=sinh^{-1}\frac{x-z}{y}[/tex]

The rest is just a matter of inserting the bounds L and 0(and looking up the inverse hyperbolic functions; they're why your answer is a nasty ln function)
 

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