How to interpret this equation in Szabo & Ostlund's book

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of equation 1.48a from Szabo & Ostlund's "Modern Quantum Chemistry," specifically focusing on the role of the index j and its relationship to the basis vectors in the context of quantum mechanics and linear algebra.

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  • One participant questions the purpose of the index j in equation 1.48a, wondering if it represents another basis.
  • Another participant suggests that the indices can be thought of similarly to basis vectors in linear algebra, relating to components of a vector in a certain basis.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the origin of j, asking why it is needed when finding components of |a> with respect to the basis {|i>}.
  • There is a question about whether |a> is initially in the basis {|j>} and if i and j are separate bases or if j is simply another index over the basis i.
  • One participant proposes that aj might just be the jth component of the ket |a> and discusses the relationship between bras and kets as representations of vectors in a complex vector space.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the indices can be arbitrary letters and that they lead to the Kronecker delta, indicating that they are in the same basis.
  • A participant suggests reviewing the linear algebra chapter for further clarity on the topic.

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Participants express various interpretations of the index j and its relationship to the basis, with no clear consensus reached on its exact role or necessity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of the bases involved.

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There are limitations in understanding the assumptions behind the use of indices j and i, as well as the dependence on definitions of basis vectors in quantum mechanics and linear algebra.

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I am trying to interpret equation 1.48a on page 11 in Szabo & Ostlund's "Modern Quantum Chemistry".

What purpose does the index j serve? Is j another basis? Why do we need j?Reference:
Szabo, A., & Ostlund, N. S. (1996). Modern quantum chemistry: Introduction to advanced electronic structure theory. Mineola, N.Y: Dover Publications.
 
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it uses eq 1.47 the orthogonality property.
If you know linear algebra, you can think of these indices as you would do for basis vectors in say R3

The <j|a> is similar as you would do in linear algebra, for a vector a, what its compnents are in a certain basis
 
yes, but where does j even come from? if we are trying to find the components of |a> with respect to the basis {|i>}, why do we need j? I do not understand
 
was |a> in the basis {| j >} to begin with?
 
or perhaps the better question is, are i and j two separate bases? Is j just another index over the basis i ?
 
oh wait, is aj just the jth component of ket | a > ?
 
compchemrulez said:
or perhaps the better question is, are i and j two separate bases? Is j just another index over the basis i ?
You can use any letter you want, you will get the kronecker delta anyway.
Yes they are in the same basis, well ##\langle i | ## is the dual-basis of ##| i \rangle ##. If this was "regular vectors" ##\langle i | ## would be the "row vector" of ## | i \rangle## so to say.

Review the linear algebra chapter again. Bras and kets at this point are just representations of vectors in a complex vector space. Eq. 1.48a is the "same" as eq 1.8 but you write ##|a\rangle## instead of ##\vec a## and ##\sum |i\rangle a_i## instead of ##\vec a = a_1 \hat e_1 + a_2 \hat e_2 + a_3 \hat e_3## and ##|i \rangle ## instead of ##\hat e_i## and ##\langle i | ## would be ##(\hat e_i)^T## (the row vector form of ##\hat e_i##)
 
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ok I think this is making more sense now

Thank you Malawi_glenn, you will see me posting many more questions in this forum : )
 
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compchemrulez said:
Thank you Malawi_glenn, you will see me posting many more questions in this forum : )
You need to post the relevant equations here, and your own effort in trying to understand.
For this, I recommend that you learn some basic LaTeX, there is a nice guide here https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/

A good title is also needed "help with an equation in book X" is not very useful.

A question like this, I would have reported, but I decided to cut some slack here since you are new and I have the book pretty close to me in my little library.
 
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