How to make water samples that exhibit cabelling when mixed?

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The discussion revolves around how to create water samples that exhibit cabbeling when mixed, a phenomenon observed in seawater. Participants explore the necessary conditions, including temperature and salinity, to achieve this effect in experimental setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on preparing two water samples that will exhibit cabbeling when mixed, highlighting the complexity of seawater composition.
  • Another participant corrects the spelling of "cabelling" to "cabbeling" and suggests consulting a temperature-salinity diagram to identify appropriate parameters.
  • A participant argues that the diagram only defines cabbeling and does not provide specific instructions for preparing the samples, questioning whether simply adding salt to water would suffice.
  • Another reply proposes that preparing samples at specific temperatures and salinities, as indicated on the diagram, should work, but notes that a more complex setup may be required for effective mixing and observation.
  • There is a suggestion to check salinity/temperature/density tables for brine to determine if it could also exhibit cabbeling, though no definitive conclusion is reached on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the temperature-salinity diagram for practical application, with some believing it provides sufficient guidance while others feel it lacks specific instructions for sample preparation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact methods to achieve cabbeling.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the information provided, particularly regarding the practical steps needed to prepare the water samples and the potential need for additional resources to verify the properties of brine.

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How to make water samples that exhibit cabbeling when mixed?

I would like to do some experiments with water flow. I want the water used in the experiment to have a property called cabbeling, common in seawater. Basically, cabbeling occurs when you mix two parcels of water with the same density but different temperature and salinity, and the mixture has a higher density than the two initial parcels of water.

Any ideas on how to make two parcels of water that when mixed will exhibit cabbeling?

Thanks!
 
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Cabbeling, not cabelling.

There is a temperature-salinity diagram in wikipedia entry for cabbeling. Follow the diagram to find correct combination of parameters, red arrows show the general idea.
 
Thanks for your reply, Borek. I've corrected the spelling.

The diagram that you refer to is just the definition of cabbeling. It does not tell me how to prepare two samples of water that will exhibit cabbeling when mixed. Is it as easy as mixing salt into water? I suspect not. Seawater has a mix of many different things in it.

Also, the water samples don't have to be prepared with salinity compositions. I just need to replicate
 
Definition is enough - prepare two samples of temperatures and salinity given by points A and B - add them to water with composition given by any other point on the curve between these points, and it should work. It may need some fancy setup to make mixing and observation visible, but all information is there.

To check whether it will work with just a brine you will need salinity/temperature/density tables for brine. But I don't see a reason why it shouldn't work.
 

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