How to mathematically describe this weird set of points?

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The discussion focuses on finding a mathematical description for a specific set of points, starting with the condition |x| ≤ |y|, which is insufficient alone. Participants explore patterns in x and y values, considering whether they are multiples of a number and how to express the set using equations. A suggestion is made to eliminate a variable by defining q = x/y, leading to the set {q ∈ ℚ | |q| ≤ 1}. Various proposed solutions are compared, with one participant favoring a more elegant formulation that includes additional conditions related to divisibility by 4. The conversation emphasizes the complexity and regularity of the points in question.
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Homework Statement
I have this set of points defined for ##x , y\in \mathbb Z##. What condtitions do we need to describe it?
Relevant Equations
##|x| \le |y|##
It is clear that one part of the solution is ##|x|\le |y|##, but that is not enough. We need another condition to get rid of some points. How to find it?

I tried to write down some x-values and their y-value and tried to find a pattern, but I didn't see it. Any help?
 

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It looks like they are very regular. Are they multiples of some number? If so, do you know how to describe that set?
 
Try writing equations for the lines (include the bounds).
 
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You can eliminate a variable by division ##q:=x/y## and write the set as ##\{q\in \mathbb{Q}\,|\,|q|\leq 1\}.## There is no pattern between numerator and denominator except ##|x|\leq |y|.## How else would you describe all rational numbers as less or equal to one? There are really, really many of them.
 
I got it! Writing down equations of some lines was very helpful...
 
Lotto said:
I got it! Writing down equations of some lines was very helpful...
What was your answer? I had to piece logic together:
Let ##4\mathbb{Z} = \{4i : i \in \mathbb{Z}\}##. ##A=\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z} : (|x|=|y| )\vee (( |x|\lt |y|) \wedge ((x\in 4\mathbb{Z}) \vee (y\in 4\mathbb{Z})))\}##
I think ##A## works as the answer but I would not bet the farm on it.
 
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What was your answer? I had to piece logic together:
Let ##4\mathbb{Z} = \{4i : i \in \mathbb{Z}\}##. ##A=\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z} : (|x|=|y| )\vee (( |x|\lt |y|) \wedge ((x\in 4\mathbb{Z}) \vee (y\in 4\mathbb{Z})))\}##
I think ##A## works as the answer but I would not bet the farm on it.
I have it similar, but your solution is more elegant. My is ##(|x| \le |y|) \land ((|x|=|y|) \lor (x \equiv 0 \mod 4) \lor (y \equiv 0 \mod 4))##.
 
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Lotto said:
I have it similar, but your solution is more elegant. My is ##(|x| \le |y|) \land ((|x|=|y|) \lor (x \equiv 0 \mod 4) \lor (y \equiv 0 \mod 4))##.
I like yours better.
 
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