How to Measure the Bandwidth of an LNA?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around measuring the bandwidth (BW) of a Low Noise Amplifier (LNA), specifically the RF2472G model. Participants explore the methods and parameters involved in this measurement, including the use of a Vector Network Analyzer (VNA) and the significance of S-parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the appropriate method to measure the bandwidth of the LNA, questioning whether a VNA is suitable and which S-parameter to use.
  • Another participant suggests that bandwidth can be determined by identifying the -3dB points on either side of the S21 parameter, emphasizing the importance of plotting S21 in rectangular form.
  • A different participant notes that while S21 is relevant, RF LNAs typically do not rely solely on the 3dB bandwidth metric, as their usable frequency range extends beyond this point, citing the device's specifications.
  • One participant mentions that measuring the entire circuit, including input and output matching, is often necessary, and that S-parameter files can provide the needed information without a VNA.
  • Another participant agrees that in narrowband applications, the overall circuit will define the 3dB bandwidth, while also noting their use of the LNA in broadband applications, suggesting that the original poster may be trying to characterize the LNA independently.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the 3dB bandwidth metric for RF LNAs, with some emphasizing its importance and others suggesting that the usable frequency range is more critical. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to measuring bandwidth.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential limitations of measuring bandwidth based on S-parameters alone, noting that external matching networks can influence the results and that the manufacturer's data may provide additional context.

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My question is two fold.

1) I was asked to measure the BW of a LNA (RF2472G). Is this done with a VNA. I have an obsolete model in my lab Agilent/HP 8720ES.

2) Exactly how would you measure the BW of the LNA in general? Using the VNA? Is this a S11, S12, S22, S21 parameter? please help.
 
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I believe it's the -3db points on both side of the S21. This is power wave, it's the BW of the two -3db power point. I am not familiar with the VNA you have, but all you have to do is to plot the S21 in the rectangular form.
 
As youngman stated, bandwidth would be the S21 measurement. However, be aware that RF LNAs generally do not use the 3dB bandwidth as a metric as you would with an op amp. Their frequency range is an indication of the range over which they are usable, and this is generally well beyond its 3dB rolloff point.
For example, your device's advertised range is DC - 6GHz. Its gain at 6GHz is around 10dB and the low freq gain is over 20dB.
 
True, but usually you are measuring the whole circuit including the input and output matching. Or else you just read off the S-parameter file and get the answer, no need for VNA.

In my experience, we always limit the low end in the input/output matching network so you don't get more gain in the frequency range out of the frequency of interest. There's no reason for passing the lower frequency as you don't want to have unwanted frequency driving the LNA into saturation and affect the gain at the frequency of interest. At least that's what I did, making it a bandpass as much as possible.
 
You are right, if this amp is to be used in a narrowband application it will be part of an overall circuit that will have a well defined 3dB bandwidth governed by some external network. (I actually use these parts in broadband applications where I need gain from MHz to GHz). Maybe the OP can chime in, it sounded like he was trying to characterize the part by itself (and, as you mentioned, that data is freely given out by manufacturer).
 

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