How to model friction in ansys?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling friction in ANSYS Workbench for a static structural analysis involving a specific geometry. Participants seek guidance on contact settings and the implications of those settings on the analysis, particularly in relation to friction between components.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests suggestions for contact settings in ANSYS Workbench, specifically for modeling friction in a static structural analysis with applied loads.
  • Another participant inquires about the effect of the pinball region on the analysis, seeking clarification on its significance.
  • A participant references the ANSYS Help Manual, explaining the concept of the pinball region and its impact on contact behavior, emphasizing the importance of setting this parameter correctly.
  • One user suggests that using ANSYS Traditional may be more suitable for the geometry and proposes using the EINTF command for invoking contacts.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about using friction in their analysis, describing the behavior of the leaves in the model and their interaction under applied forces.
  • One participant proposes that if the leaves behave as a rigid structure, friction may not need to be modeled, suggesting a simpler approach to the analysis.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the manual, with one participant noting the challenge of navigating a lengthy document for relevant information.
  • There is a mention of other settings, such as advanced formulation and interface treatment, indicating that the discussion includes multiple aspects of contact modeling beyond just friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on whether to include friction in the model, with some suggesting it may be unnecessary if the leaves act as a rigid structure, while others emphasize the importance of understanding contact settings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to modeling friction in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific commands and settings within ANSYS, indicating a reliance on the software's documentation. There are indications of varying familiarity with ANSYS Workbench and Traditional, which may influence the advice given.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for users of ANSYS Workbench or Traditional who are looking to model friction in structural analyses, particularly those new to the software or facing challenges with contact settings.

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I have to model friction in ansys workbench for the geometry i attached - static structural analysis.

I basically have to define the contacts...
I don't know what contact settings to keep... so can someone suggest me what contact settings to keep?

Loads are applied at the two ends
The support is in the center...


So there is friction in the beams - downwards force of 500N is applied on both sides.

It will be great if someone can suggest me what contact settings to keep in ansys workbench
 

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i mean "contact" settings under "connections" sections in the model of static structural analysis. what effect does the pinball region have on the analysis?
 
It is all in the help manual. If you are using ANSYS traditional then the command is PINB. In Workbench, it is the same command.

From the ANSYS Help Manual:

"A contact element is considered to be in near-field contact when its integration points (Gauss points or nodal points) are within a code-calculated (or user-defined) distance to the corresponding target surface. This distance is referred to as the pinball region. The pinball region is a circle (in 2-D) or a sphere (in 3-D) centered about the Gauss point."

So, the greater the diameter of the sphere the greater the area of contact. Be careful to set this parameter correctly because unintended contact behavior can occur.

Thanks
Matt
 
I am not sure how to use Workbench all that well. I am a Traditional user. Your geometry is not all the complex, I think you would do better using Traditional with a 2D model and invoking the contacts via the EINTF command using offset nodes. Also, I am not sure of what you are solving for i.e. stress and/or deflection or something else.

Thanks
Matt
 
oh, i found the manual, but it was like 290 pages long..

I use workbench because i import the geometry from solidworks.

Basically i have not used friction before, all i that is going to happen in this analysis is that, there is friction between all these 'leaves'.
Applying the forces causes deflection of leaves, and since these leaves are joined/constrained by geometry... all these will slide together forming a rigid structure.
 
If the leaves deform as a rigid structure then just leave out the friction and model it a s a rigid structure.

The manual can easily be searched with the command name PINB. It took me about 3 seconds to find it.

Thanks
Matt
 
CFDFEAGURU said:
If the leaves deform as a rigid structure then just leave out the friction and model it a s a rigid structure.

The manual can easily be searched with the command name PINB. It took me about 3 seconds to find it.

Thanks
Matt

PINB is not my only concern :P

there are many other settings such as

advanced formulation, interface treatment to name a few...

i would have tried taking ur help, but i don't know the ABC of APDL...

do u know any ansys workbench forums?

btw thanks for your help :D
 
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