How to prove that electric field strengths are the same

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The discussion revolves around proving that the electric field strengths are the same at points where x < 0 and x > d in a system with a non-uniform charge density distribution in the xy-plane. The participants explore theoretical approaches and mathematical reasoning related to electric fields, charge distributions, and Maxwell's equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that by treating the charge distribution as a line charge and using symmetry, the electric field strengths at points x < 0 and x > d can be shown to be equal.
  • Another participant inquires about the Poisson equation for the regions x < 0 and x > d, and its relationship to the electric field and potential.
  • A participant mentions that they have not covered the Poisson equation but have studied Maxwell's equations, seeking alternative methods to prove the claim.
  • One participant proposes using the divergence of the electric field related to charge density as a Maxwell relation to derive the electric field expressions.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of dealing with infinities in the context of electric fields and symmetry, suggesting that the electric fields must be equal due to the nature of the charge distribution.
  • There is a mention of the potential for confusion regarding the relationship between electric fields at infinity and the charge distribution, highlighting the complexities involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods to prove the equality of electric field strengths, with some favoring symmetry arguments and others suggesting the use of mathematical equations. No consensus is reached on a definitive method or conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, particularly when considering the implications of infinite distances and charge distributions. Some assumptions about the charge density and its effects on the electric field are not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electromagnetism, particularly in the context of electric fields, charge distributions, and Maxwell's equations.

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hi, it's my first post :)
this is not really a homework problem but it's almost like that so...

Homework Statement


in the xy-plane, suppose that there is a non-uniform charge density distribution between x=0 and x=d. the distribution is dependent only on x so that for any vertical line x = a (0≤a≤d), the charge density anywhere on that line is the same. for x<0 and x>d, the charge density is 0.

i would like to show that the magnitude of the electric fields at any point (x,y) where x< 0 and at any point (x,y) where x> d are the same.


The Attempt at a Solution


I can show that the field strength in both areas are constant.

if I "zoom out" far enough , the area between x = 0 and x =d would appear like a line charge with constant linear charge density. by symmetry, i then argue that the field strength m units to the left of that line charge is equal to the field strength m units to the right of the line charge.

because the field in both areas are constant, they must be equal

is my solution valid? if it were, is there any other more "mathematical" solution?
 
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What's the Poisson equation for x < 0 and x > d?

What then is the relationship between the potential and the electric field? What 1st order diff. eq. do you wind up with, and what is its solution?
 
rude man said:
What's the Poisson equation for x < 0 and x > d?

Thank you for the reply.
We haven't covered the Poisson equation yet. We've covered Maxwell's equations though, both integral and differential forms and the boundary conditions. So, I was thinking if there's another way without using that Poisson equation...

But thanks, i'll check that. :smile:
 
Actually, I should just have said, use divE = ρ/ε. One of the Maxwell relations, of course.
 
yes, I've done that

∂Ex(x) / ∂x = ε0ρ(x) for 0<x<d
and
∂Ex(x) / ∂x = 0 for 0>x and x>d

Ex (x)= ε0∫ρ(x)dx (from 0 to x) + Ex(0) for 0<x<d
and
Ex (x)= Ex(0) for x<0
and
Ex (x)= Ex(d) for x>d


my problem is how to arrive at the conclusion that
Ex(0) = Ex(d) ?
 
p6.626x1034js said:
yes, I've done that

my problem is how to arrive at the conclusion that
Ex(0) = Ex(d) ?

Oops, I see what you mean. I mistakenly thought you needed to show only that the E fields for x < 0 and x > d are constant, not the same constant.

The thing here is, we're dealing with infinities, which can be tricky. Consider a thin strip dx situated at x = x0 on 0 < x < d and extending from -∞ < y < ∞. Now, you know that it doesn't matter where along x > d you are, the E field is the same. So the E field must be the same value for x < 0 as for x > d, just by symmetry.

In other words, say you pick a value x = 3d. I can then say, OK, go to x = -3d + 2x0, which is equidistant on the other side of the strip, so obviously the E fields due to that strip must be the same for x < 0 as for x > d. Then you just argue superposition of the infinite number of strips existing between x=0 and x=d, and you have the result that the field is the same in both areas.

To sum up, you first show (which you already did) that E(x<0) = c1 and E(x>d) = c2. Then you show that c1 = c2.

You could go whole-hog and do the double integration & you'd find the same thing (I haven't done it!).

It sounds goofy: say ρ(x) = kx, 0 < x < d, k > 0. The you'd think the E field for x > d must be greater than for x < 0. Which is why I say that infinities can do strange things!
 
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