How to Rearrange Trigonometric Equations for Integrals?

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The discussion revolves around rearranging trigonometric equations for integrals, specifically focusing on how to express a given equation in integral form. Participants explore the notation and mathematical transformations necessary to achieve this goal.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether "dx" refers to a differential or a small change in x, suggesting that \Delta x would be more appropriate.
  • Another participant provides sum identities for sine and cosine functions to help transform the expressions involving \( \sin(x + dx) \) and \( \cos(x + dx) \).
  • There is a proposal that for small values of dx, approximations can be made where \( \sin(dx) \approx dx \) and \( \cos(dx) \approx 1 \), leading to further simplifications.
  • A participant attempts to express the original equation in a more manageable form but notes that it does not yield a product that is simply "something times dx".
  • The full equation is presented by one participant, which includes a limit and a summation, indicating complexity in the problem at hand.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the best approach to rearranging the equation, and multiple viewpoints regarding notation and mathematical transformations remain present.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the smallness of dx and the applicability of approximations. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the original equation, which may affect the clarity of the transformations proposed.

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To get something into integral form the dx needs to be at the end right? How can I do this if what I have is rsin(x+dx)cos(x+dx)?
 
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It doesn't look ok. Can you perhaps write the whole thing/problem ?
 
I am going to assume that your "dx" is not a differential but just some slight change in x. \Delta x would be better notation.

The best you can do is use the sum identities:
sin(x+ dx)= sin(x)cos(dx)+ cos(x)sin(dx)
cos(x+ dx)= cos(x)cos(dx)- sin(x)sin(dx)

You could then argue that for dx sufficiently small sin(dx) is approximately equal to dx and cos(dx) is approximately equal to 1:
sin(x+ dx) is approximately sin(x)+ cos(x)dx
cos(x+ dx) is approximately cos(x)- sin(x)dx.

Now, r sin(x+ dx)cos(x+ dx) will be approximately
sin(x)cos(x)+ cos^2(x)dx- sin^2(dx)- sin(x)cos(x)dx^2

I suppose you could not argue that, for dx a "differential", you can drop dx^2 to get sin(x)cos(x)+ cos^2(x)dx- sin^2(x)dx

But those still will not give you something "times dx".


As dextercioby said, please show the entire problem.
 
The entire equation is : Lim \Deltax->0 \Sigma (r\Pi\Deltax/90 - rsin(xi)cos(xi)+rsin(xi+\Deltax)cos(xi+\Deltax))

Thats ugly as hell, but I think you get the idea yes?
 

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