How to remember the charge of electrodes?

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of remembering the charge of electrodes in different contexts, specifically in electrolysis and electrochemical cells. Participants explore various mnemonic devices and explanations to clarify the concepts of oxidation and reduction associated with anodes and cathodes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express difficulty in remembering that the anode is positive in electrolysis but negative in electrochemical cells.
  • One participant suggests the mnemonic "ACID = Anode Current Into Device" to aid memory, noting it refers to conventional current flow.
  • Another participant shares their confusion and reliance on looking up the information, mentioning that only electrochemists seem to consistently remember the details.
  • One participant explains that the cathode is where reduction occurs, while the anode is associated with oxidation, but admits to struggling with this distinction.
  • A participant proposes a mnemonic based on the consonants in "cathode" and "reduction" to help remember the relationship.
  • Some participants note that the cathode is where cations go, with one clarifying that this is not applicable in batteries.
  • Another participant mentions historical context, referring to valves where the cathode was the source of electrons.
  • Several participants share mnemonics like "Red cat, Anny Ox" and "LEO says GER" to describe the flow of electrons and the associated charges, though one points out that these do not clarify the charge in both types of cells.
  • One participant introduces the mnemonic "PANIC" (Positive=Anode & Negative Is Cathode) for electrolytic cells, suggesting it can help remember the charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and uncertainty regarding the charges of electrodes in different contexts. Multiple competing mnemonics and explanations are presented, but no consensus is reached on a single effective method for remembering the charges.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that their understanding may depend on specific contexts, such as electrolysis versus electrochemical cells, and that different mnemonic devices may work for different individuals.

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How do I remember that anode is positive in electrolysis but negative in electrochemical cells?
I always forget it :|
 
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ACID = Anode Current Into Device

Although you have to remember this is conventional current flow
 
I did not understand that. How do we remember positive or negative from it?
 
One's where an oxidation occurs and the other is where a reduction occurs.

I think. I have to admit I never can remember that either. I just look it up again whenever i need to know. Even got confused about it when defending my Master's Thesis a number of years ago.. :) The only ones I know who seem to get it right consistently are actual electrochemists.

I can do tensor calculus, but plus and minus still manages to baffle me...
 
alxm is right. Kathode is always where reduction occurs. Best you figure it out when you need it from some easy reaction. E.g. in electrolysis of a copper sulfate solution positive copper 2+ ions get reduced to metallic copper by taking up two electrons which have to be delivered by the negative electrode.
In the case a copper rod acts as an electrode in a battery, the copper will get oxidized and will deliver two electrons whence the electrode is negative again but this time it is the anode (due to oxidation).
 
I always remembered that the cathode is where reduction occurs because both start with consonants; oxidation corresponds to the anode and both begin with vowels. Weird little mnemonic devices like that are what got me through general chem...
 
Cathode is where the cations go.
 
Borek said:
Cathode is where the cations go.

Not in a battery.
 
in valves (showing my age here) the cathode was where the electrons came from and the anode is where they go to
 
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alxm said:
One's where an oxidation occurs and the other is where a reduction occurs.

I think. I have to admit I never can remember that either. I just look it up again whenever i need to know. Even got confused about it when defending my Master's Thesis a number of years ago.. :) The only ones I know who seem to get it right consistently are actual electrochemists.

I can do tensor calculus, but plus and minus still manages to baffle me...

Haha...good to see I have got a company here :wink:
 
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mack_10 said:
in valves (showing my age here) the cathode was where the electrons came from and the anode is where they go to

valves :confused: ?
 
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Borek said:
Cathode is where the cations go.

How do you decide the charge of electrodes from this?
 
  • #13
Positive charge is attracted by the negative charge. It works nicely for electrolysis.
 
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Abdul Quadeer said:
valves :confused: ?
Tubes if you're American
 
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"Red cat, Anny Ox" (Reduction at the cathode, oxidation at the anode. )and "LEO says GER" (Lose electron oxidation/ gain electron reduction).

Knowing these two phrases (?) you will know how electrons flow and can tell which is positive and negative with ease.
 
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wajagawa said:
"Red cat, Anny Ox" (Reduction at the cathode, oxidation at the anode. )and "LEO says GER" (Lose electron oxidation/ gain electron reduction).

Knowing these two phrases (?) you will know how electrons flow and can tell which is positive and negative with ease.

No we cannot tell which one is positive/negative from that. In both electrolytic and electrochemical cells, electrons flow from anode to cathode outside the cell but still they have different signs in 2 cases.
 
  • #17
I found out one easy word to remember.
In electrolytic cells, remember the word PANIC.
Positive=Anode & Negative Is Cathode.
So whenever you forget about the signs in electrolytic cells, don't panic :wink:

If you remember this, the charges of electrodes in electrochemical cells is opposite to it.
 

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