How to Show Average Energy at Low Temperatures?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average energy of a system with two non-degenerate energy levels at low temperatures, specifically focusing on the limit where the thermal energy is much less than the energy difference between the levels.

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  • Participants explore the expression for average energy and its behavior as temperature approaches zero, questioning the treatment of terms in the expansion and the implications of the binomial approximation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical expressions, clarifying assumptions about the limits of the variables involved, and discussing the significance of keeping terms to first order in their calculations.

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There is an emphasis on the conditions under which the approximations are valid, particularly the requirement that the thermal energy is much smaller than the energy difference between the two levels.

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A system has two non-degenerate energy levels E1 and E2, where E2>E1>0. The system is at tempreture T. The Average energy of the system is = E1+E2e^(-B*deltaE) / 1+e^(-B*deltaE) where deltaE= E2 -E1 and B=1/kT (k=Boltzmann constant). show that for very low temperatures kT<<deltaE, average energy= E1+deltaE*e^(-B*deltaE).

hint: use the first order expansion (1+x)^-1=1-x for x<<1
keep terms up to first order only

Here is what I get:

I multiplied 1-e^(-B*deltaE) by E1+E2e^(-B*deltaE) based on (1+x)^-1=1-x and I get E1+deltaE*e^(-B*deltaE) + E2*e^(-2B*deltaE), but it is not the answer

Help would be appreciated
 
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You are told: $$\bar E = \frac{E_1+E_2 e^{-(E_2-E_1)/kT}}{1-e^{-(E_2-E_1)/kT}}$$ ... and you need to find this in the limit that ##kT<<E_2-E_1##

You did: $$(1-e^{-(E_2-E_1)/kT})(E_1+E_2 e^{-(E_2-E_1)/kT})$$ because ##(1+x)^{-1}\simeq 1-x## for ##x<<1## ... ??!

What are you treating as "x" in that expression?
What is your reasoning?
 
Simon Bridge said:
You are told: $$\bar E = \frac{E_1+E_2 e^{-(E_2-E_1)/kT}}{1-e^{-(E_2-E_1)/kT}}$$ ... and you need to find this in the limit that ##kT<<E_2-E_1##

You did: $$(1-e^{-(E_2-E_1)/kT})(E_1+E_2 e^{-(E_2-E_1)/kT})$$ because ##(1+x)^{-1}\simeq 1-x## for ##x<<1## ... ??!

What are you treating as "x" in that expression?
What is your reasoning?

I did it based on the equation (1+x)^-1=1-x. Therefore, (1+e^-BdeltaE)^-1 is equal to 1-e^-BdeltaE. The denominator is (1+e^-BdeltaE) and not (1-e^-BdeltaE) . I made a mistake, sorry.
 
shayan825 said:
keep terms up to first order only
This is the part you forgot.
 
DrClaude said:
This is the part you forgot.

what should I do? could you please help?
 
You have
$$
\frac{f(x)}{1+x} \approx (1-x) f(x)
$$
Then do the multiplication, and keep only terms up to first order.
 
hint: the "order" is determined by the power of x.

I did it based on the equation (1+x)^-1=1-x. Therefore, (1+e^-BdeltaE)^-1 is equal to 1-e^-BdeltaE.
So x=e^-BdeltaE right?

Your answer was:
E1+deltaE*e^(-B*deltaE) + E2*e^(-2B*deltaE)

... in terms of x, that is: E1 + deltaE x + E2 x^2

The answer you want is:
E1+deltaE*e^(-B*deltaE) = E1 + deltaE x

compare.
 
Simon Bridge said:
hint: the "order" is determined by the power of x.


So x=e^-BdeltaE right?

Your answer was:
E1+deltaE*e^(-B*deltaE) + E2*e^(-2B*deltaE)

... in terms of x, that is: E1 + deltaE x + E2 x^2

The answer you want is:
E1+deltaE*e^(-B*deltaE) = E1 + deltaE x

compare.

So, I just take E2 x^2 from the equation? or there is more to it? Thank you for your help
 
Yep: that's all there is to it.

The idea is that if x is small enough to make the binomial approximation (which is what you did), then x^2 is way wayy too small to have a noticeable effect. It is safe to just ignore it. i.e. imagine x~0.00001... at that sort of scale the equations x^2+x+1 and x+1 are hard to tell apart.
 

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